A Triathlete's Journey 2024 - Introducing Brandon Gibson - Athletes in Motion Podcast

Narrator: 0:10

Welcome to the athletes in motion podcast from race to recovery. With your hosts, Tom Regal, and Kenny Bailey.

Tom Regal: 0:19

Hey, Kenny, how you doing?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:31

I am fantastic, Tom, how are you?

Tom Regal: 0:33

I'm fantastic as well. We're continuing on with the triathletes journey series. And we're, we're very excited to have Brandon Gibson back on. So Brandon was with us last year not as part of the triathletes journey, but as a guest, and we got to hear his story. I think it was episode. I think it was 53. Back in September of last year, he just completed 70.3. I highly suggest you go back and listen to it again. It was a great conversation. I've checked it out again couple times since then. So it's been great. So Brandon, welcome. Welcome back to the show. And welcome to being part of the triathletes journey. So we're gonna follow you this year. So let's, let's rewind back just a little bit, give us the 10 second version of what are you dealing with? And then what races we're going to step up and follow you this year to go through?

Brandon Gibson: 1:30

So since that conversion is I started back training, I guess, really November, and then I got sick. And then I got sick again. And I got sick again. So I had three I've had three hospitalizations since November. Um, so okay, it's November. Yeah. And it's not really been anything that I have suit the disease heart that we talked about. And in the original podcast, it's been more of you know, I have a two year old at home because of daycare, an eight year old that goes to school, and she brought home some very nasty stuff. I've had both flus A and B. And I'm just getting over B from three weeks ago. So but yeah, I got, I got put in hospital a few times made mainly dehydration. And that's what happens. So and so I've, I'm not where I want to be. And could because I am the three big races I'm doing this year as Chattanooga, just met in May. And I'm doing Louisville and then North Carolina in the fall. And so three

Tom Regal: 2:41

big 70.3 Yep, yep. And for those who haven't listened to our podcast from before, shame on you. So Brandon doesn't have a colon, like Brandon's missing some parts. And that's the biggest challenge that we're facing. And like I said, go back and listen to the conversation because it's, it's, there's, we would have a whole show again talking about it. But that's the challenge that that Brandon is facing nutritionally. And certainly when you get the flu and things like that, you get hit a lot harder. You talked about the dehydration, because we talked about the sodium sodium intake is tough for you. So that's quick for you to get dehydrated. And of course, that's a challenge in racing as well.

Brandon Gibson: 3:26

So yeah, with with missing choline, which we you know, we talked about it. Especially my immune system, when I get hit, I get hit hard. The coal if I get a cold, it's you get the full on I get a foreign you don't get the mild well, maybe I'll get the mild version of it like right your body's like Screw this a more than likely if I get the flu. And well actually I had the Norovirus in November is when it's the first one which is intestinal just wrecked thing. And, and that was that was the first real bad one. And it took me about a month to get over. I kept I kept getting better and then I would get worse and then go back in and get more fluids and more IV stuff and get out and then then I finally you know, come down. But yeah, if I get either if I get one of those big ones. It puts me down. I mean, there's just there's no easy way out of me just resting at home. It's almost an impossibility for

Kenny Bailey<br>: 4:27

me to get out of it. So yeah, yeah. So how you so it's March now how you feeling now?

Brandon Gibson: 4:33

So I guess was the end of February is when I tested positive for influenza B which was mostly head head cold type thing. That one I did not go to the hospital for so it because it didn't really hit it in intestines. I didn't have an appetite. But I just went to camp with with my coach Sarah to

Tom Regal: 4:57

ask you about that. Yeah. Put on a great camp. Even in

Brandon Gibson: 5:01

Tucson, yep. And I, when I first got out there, I hadn't done anything in two weeks. And I felt like terrible. And yeah, in the first day, I think I ran a quarter mile and I couldn't I just couldn't breathe. I was coughing and coughing and coughing and I was just saying I was in bad shape and I and you know, that's when it starts contemplating in my brain. Is Chattanooga actually going to happen like in my in my going to be able to do this because I'm in a very bad state right now. We're only 10 weeks out now from Chattanooga. And I'm so I feel like I was so far behind. And in and then we did a short like they they went and did a much longer ride. I cut my ride short that afternoon. I could only do so much. I was just I was strained. And and eventually, by the time that the end of the week, I started doing the swim, I almost made the entire distance that we were supposed to do and then and then I climbed Mount Lemmon, I did outstanding got 3000 feet of climbing So, which was awesome, by the way, that is one of the coolest climbs. One of the coolest views I've ever seen, although climbing for two and a half hours. Sucks,

Tom Regal: 6:21

like 30 minutes to get back down. Yeah. But

Brandon Gibson: 6:26

it was it was an awesome experience. And I feel really really good. Like I actually did a ramp FTP test this morning. And and knocked it out of the water. Like I felt great guys. I wrote a couple days ago, I felt phenomenal. Didn't get didn't even get out of zone one. Like and I was and I so that towards the end of the camp, I started getting more confidence. Like okay, I'm gonna bounce back. And you know, Sarah kept reiterating that. Look, I have two years of training on her. Even though I got sick, the bouncing back is going to happen quicker. It's not like I'm just getting off the couch and getting sick and still getting off the couch and trying to start off like I'm not really starting from scratch, even though it feels like it when you get back into it. Like it feels like, Man, I haven't done this a long time. Like I am way out of shape. But it seems like it bounces back pretty quickly. Yeah. So good

Tom Regal: 7:22

base, you've set your base, Sarah's a good coach, and she set you up with a really solid base. You have success at Chattanooga. 70.3. So I mean, that's, that's, that means a lot. Right? Your body sort of remembers that you're, you know, bounced back on

Brandon Gibson: 7:38

this. Yeah. And I think I think confidence wise, knowing the course. And, you know, knowing what I what I did last year, knowing what I feel like now. I think I'm setting myself up to do better than last year, even though I you know, these little setbacks, I really think I'm going to be in a better shape. I've learned a lot. I mean, I've learned a ton about nutrition. I've changed some things like I was using like a you can type thing for electrolytes. At camp, I switched to an element, which has like 2000 milligrams of sodium in it. And it is like, perfect. And because I started cramping during the swim, I chunked about a quarter bottle of that. And do it was done the Craneway which is which is I could feel the energy coming back with it. So now that was part of camp, I wanted to test things I wanted to test some new nutrition items. And I think I think I found I think I found found the lay good

Tom Regal: 8:41

because that's what camps are for me. And that's what is to be able to focus on your training without the other daily distractions that you have to focus on that to be able to mess around with different products, different nutrition, different shoes, whatever this that's, that's the time. That's the time to do it. So what else coming up in your training for this year? What adjustments did you make based on last year?

Brandon Gibson: 9:08

So the the big thing that I haven't hit this show is longer bricks going into doing that's gonna I think come in the early early April, very into March. And right before you know, a taper taper off won't happen till May because may 19. Thing is the race will taper doesn't happen till what a week out. Seven days out some week, two weeks, depending Yeah. So the big thing is, we talked about this is that my books are going to be much longer. I didn't do long bricks last year, I would do a 30 minute, you know, a 3030 mile ride with a two to four mile run. Well, this year I'm wanting to do the 50 mile ride with a 10 mile run like I want to get closer to those distance markers. So I know where my body's at in that brick stat, you know that big state?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 10:03

Because I was competence to. Right. Right. So you know, you can do it.

Brandon Gibson: 10:07

Yeah, that's I think, and I think that's the majority of it's not so much that I need it for the stamina portion of it, which obviously that's part of it. But I think the confidence part of it is the majority of it, like knowing that I Oh, I did 50 miles, and then I've already ran 10 miles, I can make it then blast six and three, right, like, I can do this. Yeah. And it's knowledge, I think is so powerful in this and in this game, like in, in tries, especially knowing courses. Like when we did a preview last year before Chattanooga, knowing that cord and that bike course before going to so much, so much, because you know exactly what's coming up. Yeah, which level is going to be different. I'm not going to have that knowledge going into Louisville, I'm not going to have that knowledge going into North Carolina. So I'm going to be a little bit more nervous about those. Although I am going to try to go to one of the local races. Okay, I can't think there's a Louisville magic brace. I think largely on part of the course, I think some of it is I plan on going to that. So that will help me a little bit. But you know, it's not the pool.

Tom Regal: 11:23

Louisville is close enough to us anyway, right? That you could probably scoot out there for a weekend, if, you know, you could fit that in, like even if you just drove the course, with take the family, go up for a weekend. You know, pop up there drive the course, stay overnight,

Brandon Gibson: 11:40

and just see it and just know where the hills are where what Yeah, I mean, you know, knowledge is so much power in this like I can't, like the confidence I got last year from that was was great. So yeah, yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 11:54

How many days in advance? Do you try to get there and recon? Those courses?

Brandon Gibson: 11:59

races are what are usually on Sunday. So I with work and everything I can only get there Friday, like Fridays and basically so Saturday morning, I think last year, Saturday morning, even though I rode the course, we went ahead and went and drove the course again. Yeah, that's a huge deal. We just kind of refreshed the course on my brain. We walked part of the run course, just to remember where the hills were. How long the hill actually is out of transition and shattered. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 12:26

yeah. People forget that one coming out under the bridge. And you're just like, yeah, goes up. It's steep. Yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 12:32

it's at the very beginning. You get off the bike. Yeah.

Tom Regal: 12:37

It's like, tiny downhill and then straight. Yeah, it's just a

Brandon Gibson: 12:41

mile of climbing. So yeah, well,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 12:44

I think the broader thing to just for people that are getting into this stuff, right, is the idea that when you show up, if you show up a couple of days, make sure you understand the course not just not only from a, you know, the hills and all that sort of stuff, but there may be some tricky corners. There may be some potholes, there may be, you know, knowing that hey, that's a pretty in Wisconsin, it's a really fast ascent. And it's right to the bottom of the hills, a tee. And you have to take a sharp left, right. So just knowing those things and recommending those things to folks just to say, hey, just take the time to understand kind of what you're getting into because you'd be like, hey, mile 32 There's a giant pothole garbage Nast. And you know, make sure we remember that. Right.

Brandon Gibson: 13:27

And that was big with Chattanooga, because the on the on the right hand shoulder, there's just like this divot where they were like, there was a pothole and then I truck came through and just pushed all the black. And it was just these divots, and it was right off of one of the big downhill descent after the climb at like mile 32 or whatever. Yeah. And, and I told all my friends, like, just be, don't be on that shoulder because you're going downhill and you're going around corners. And if you're not, yeah, you're you're going to end up that way. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 14:06

So what made you decide to do three of them this year? What was you know, you felt like two wasn't enough force too many? Why? 301?

Brandon Gibson: 14:16

I did the one obviously, I wanted to go back to Chattanooga. Actually, I didn't, I wanted to go to I wanted to do an ocean swim. And I wanted to do I guess it's Gulf Gulf Coast, right? Like I wanted to go down and do do that one. But unfortunately, the timing is First Communion for my daughter, so it can't really you know, that it's I think it's the weekend before Chattanooga, and I can't so I can't do that. So I decided to go back to Chattanooga, and plus, it's a good you know, as a baseline of seven my 70.3 like what I did last year comparable to what I do a year later. I kind of like that I kind of like going back to a race and just seeing my progression is a pretty good definer of where I'm at and then To be honest, I don't know why pick the other two. Somebody brought. Yeah, somebody brought up North Carolina. Louisville was not even a thought. Like, I knew I was going to probably do Chattanooga or Gulf Coast. Once the time once we got the dates, I knew I was signed up for Chattanooga, North Carolina was brought up to me about oh, wouldn't it be cool to do North Carolina? I think it'd be beautiful about North Carolina. And I was like, yeah, so I started looking into it. And then it's a it's an ocean swim, which is it's an inland but it's an ocean swim. And that gives me IOC, saltwater, at least right? I get to try that. And then it's also a different one, because it's got to transition. Like it's not one, it's right. Transition places. There's two transitions on North Carolina. And I thought, well, you know, that'd be a good learning experience on just the different type of race. And plus, it's, you know, it's probably is beautiful. And, and then that's where, so I decided to North Carolina, and then I think they announced Louisville did a final one. Yeah, it's it's, they're bringing it back. And I have friends that are in southern Indiana, and they're part of the southern Indiana tri team, and they're going and it just kind of like and then the bunch of heat, Hendersonville endurance group. There's, I think 11 that are going to it. So it's just like, oh, man, I might as well just go now to so that's kind of where I brought three and, and going forward, you know, I don't know if 70 Point threes are my distance, right? It's still learning. Like it's still it with this nutrition and stuff. It's still a learning learning experience. And I don't know if I'll be burnt out by the time the end of the year comes or not. You know, that's a long time training.

Tom Regal: 16:55

Oh, yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 16:56

If constant training for spread out over I mean, it's gonna be a full year when it's all said and done. It's gonna be one full year of just training for Stoney point threes. Yeah. So who knows what next year brings him I bring the Sprint's? Yeah, the energy? Yeah, they're

Tom Regal: 17:17

like, well,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 17:18

the cool thing is, you know, when you talk most, and I'm probably in that bucket as well, like, sometimes you're looking at like, I think Louisville is, you know, it's a downriver swim. And the course is okay, it's rolling. What's cool, is what you're doing is you're not approaching it as in when to avoid you're approaching as what to approach approach approach, meaning, hey, I haven't done ocean water. You know, I haven't tasted saltwater. Let's go try that this may be a hilly course, I don't care. Let's go try that. So you're embracing that idea of it being challenging in different sorts of ways. Which is really kind of neat, because I think a lot of us are like, What can I find? It's, you know, rolling hills, not too hard to climb that kind of thing. Because you're so worried about everything else about nutrition about, you know, that kind of thing. So that's Yeah, I know, you're like, now I'm just gonna go try it. See what it's like. Yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 18:09

And it's a really doesn't have anything to do with what's the courses? I mean, the core set hilly, it didn't, it wouldn't matter to me, right? Because I have too many other things. Like you said.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 18:20

Well, that's the irony of the whole thing. It's like, Yeah, some people like I want the course to be as simple as possible, because I have too many things to worry about. You're like, I don't really care, because I'm gonna be worried about the other thing anyway. So yeah, not only how much does he affect you? So if you're dealing with a humanoid, because we're getting you're smack dab in?

Brandon Gibson: 18:36

Yeah, Louisville is going to be hot. I mean, it's human. It's

Tom Regal: 18:40

when it's Louisville. What's the what's the date on that? Do you remember is that July, July?

Unknown: 18:44

Or August? It's one of those

Tom Regal: 18:48

months doesn't matter which one? It

Brandon Gibson: 18:50

is? Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it is. I can't remember it's a week after River Bluff. So whenever wherever Bluff is

Tom Regal: 18:58

falling weekend, yeah, so second week in August. Ooh, yeah, there. Yes. So it's

Brandon Gibson: 19:02

gonna be it's gonna be warm. He, obviously you sweat more when you Yeah. You know, even in even the humidity, you sweat more, but I think I don't. So when I first started running a few years ago, when I got back into you know, COVID i sokoke was like when I started running. When I started running, I didn't run in the morning, I ran two o'clock in the afternoon, and during the summer, and like in the spring, so I would always run in the heat. And it didn't really bother me. As I get acclimated it's, it doesn't have I think we have so much humidity here that the heat, it just it naturally progressed like anybody else would I just have to obviously pay attention to my salt intake. And my, my, my electrolytes, I mean, it's just like anybody else would I just maybe have to monitor it a little closer. Yeah. I have to I have to pinpoint and but as far as dealing with the heat, like it doesn't bother me, I've, I've, I've actually I actually would rather be in the heat than in the cold. That's just that's just the way. So the way I'm looking at this is like, the three races right? The last race is in October, in North Carolina. So it should be cooler. And that's the one I want to I want to that's my goal, like, my goal is North Carolina, okay, to PR a 70.3. And like, I want to crush it, like that's where that's kind of my stepping, you know, my stepping tools. So that

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:44

erases or you're

Tom Regal: 20:46

a race or three North Carolina. So you'll be she'll be building your plan your coach or build your plan right up so that you're, you're really gonna be focused on North Carolina.

Brandon Gibson: 20:56

Yep. And in Chattanooga is basically almost like a training race essentially,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 21:01

kind of sounds like it because like you're doing an A B test is what you're doing, right? Yep. Yep.

Brandon Gibson: 21:05

And that's, and I'll be training through the heat, and then racing in the heat. And then it should cool down and I still have that like, I have a big believer you train a lot in the heat and then all of a sudden, it cools down you everything, everything your number, everything's better. Yeah, everything's better. So yeah, that's the plan. And I you know, and I kind of went in with that plan especially, even though Louisville wasn't in there. With the Chattanooga in the North Carolina like that was my plan to North Carolina be my a race and train up for it getting get to it. So. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 21:40

so you're still working with that nutritionist? Where was that? It was in like New Zealand. New Zealand.

Brandon Gibson: 21:46

He's in New Zealand. I know. I kind of I've kind of backed off of it just okay. Fun funding. Totally. Yeah, no, totally. I mean, Iron Man's are not cheap.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 22:00

You think an expensive sport. So yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 22:01

And you know, and I ended up getting a new bike and you know, just it's just kind of trying to figure out, you know,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 22:10

all it sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it. I mean, you know, you're you're at a space where you helped me

Brandon Gibson: 22:16

a ton he Yeah, he got me to where what I truly need to focus on. Like, what I need to look at, and, and help me and I, and I'm doing really well with it. I have yet. I did do. I did a couple trail runs. I think I can't remember if I did. I can't remember Bell Ringer was before or after we talked. I think I might have after things after the bell ringers after I learned some stuff there. Because I did the 25k and got to you know, the 15k mark, I was good. Got to like the 19k mark, and I wasn't good. Me correctly. And I started to BahnCard Yeah. And and then I went out and did the black toe 12 hour solo trail run in February. And yeah, in February, and I did too. I did 10 miles. And in I thought I ate right. But got I didn't. So it those are the things like I have to fail on this nutrition stuff to figure it out. Right. Like I like I thought I had it right. But, you know, some of those things are and I do those things also want to help try to figure out the nutrition because they're really long, right? 25 k's a lot. It's a long run. And very, very hilly. Obviously. Black toe is the same way. It is brutal technical.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 23:53

Well, they name it black toe. So I mean

Tom Regal: 23:55

there's a reason you did really good weather for black toe though. You could have gotten the

Brandon Gibson: 24:02

last two years have been incredible, which is yeah, maybe I could just keep going and we'll just stay good for everybody. But they Yeah, but they also the confidence builder. Those long races those long like I mean they're Ultra is but not really running an ultra ultra distance but the the confidence of just pushing my mental through the pain through the through the exhaustion through you know, the nutrition part portion of it makes sets me up for the Sunday curious

Tom Regal: 24:35

and we've talked about this in the past about like you're doing just training and having these long training days and getting through all of that stuff is one thing and it's really good to do with throwing in these ACOEM see races like that are in there that you actually get the experience of the race day there's a different level of anxiety, of of excitement of other stuff that you can't tie to a training day Now you're gonna make this see race a training day, and you get used to that vibe is a big energy that comes off of it, like you show up at these things and like, Okay, gotta go through your race check, you got to do all this stuff. And it's great to have these see races, even if you don't finish them, right, even if you will, I will call it fail at them. If you just get in there and just kind of do it. I've had a race that I wanted to get the experience on it, I was having a leg issue I wasn't supposed to run. So I did the first two thirds of a race. And I DNF the only two times I've DNF do it, this is the first time I ever DNF and it was planned, worked with my coach and said, Okay, I'm going to get the swim done. So I can work on transition to get on the bike, I'm going to do this on the bike. And then I'm going to go out one mile on the run, and I'm going to turn around through, turn my chip in and walk off the course. Because we need to get that we need to get that progress. We can work on that we can't work on the run. But let's work on the progression getting to that point, it's the best thing that you can do. Because you get the whole vibe, you get the whole feel of everything. You're doing it right.

Brandon Gibson: 26:02

The two biggest things I think coming out of that is one starting the race, right? Because you're you're anxious, you have you have the butterflies you have in your you just want to go right, you just want to go, but you have to reel yourself back in because you have a long race. Yeah. So teaching, I think that's a very teachable part in those sea races is learning how to hold yourself accountable for your pace that you need to make it through the race at the beginning. And then the other one is that brain fog coming out of the water going into transition, like where's my bike, you know, you know that rush that you get to come in just getting into transition and trying to figure out what you need to do. And I, you know, experiences everything, the more you do that the more you get comfortable doing it, and I'll see ya and

Kenny Bailey<br>: 26:51

the weird, the weird part that you don't fully think about too, is that you're getting up at 430 in the morning, you're you're you're from a nutrition standpoint, and getting ready for a race, especially if you're driving to a race, right? So whereas if I'm doing a training, right, I know I can, you know, I'm gonna control about an hour and a half before I get out there going to eat you know, oatmeal or whatever get to you know, you got it locked in this one, you know, you're getting up three hours earlier than you normally do or two hours, you're, you know, you try to that whole pre race prep, you know, and how do I get energy? And how do I you know, do I take a scoop waffle before I get into the water because the last time I ate was two and a half hours ago. So it's it's, uh, that part just alone. So you're, you're hitting the water, at least, you know, up to a level you need to be especially for you. That's gonna be it's gonna be important. So it's great to do that. We're excited to watch this thing because it's, I love you know, I'm getting a lot of inspiration just from your energy of leaning in just, yeah, we got to try it and we try it until it Okay, that didn't work. Okay, check that off. Right. Okay, well, that didn't work. check that off. But just leaning into it and going Yeah, well, we're gonna we're gonna, you know, figuratively literally dive into these things and see what happens and then take notes and keep going forward. So if I ever

Brandon Gibson: 28:06

want to do the big dance, I have to take i i gotta do my homework. Gotta do a lot of homework beforehand. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yes. Doubling these distances is not

Kenny Bailey<br>: 28:16

trivial. Yeah.

Tom Regal: 28:17

Yeah. It's not double the effort on your body. It's it's like, you know, exponentially more difficult than just doubling the distance, the distance is easy part, right? Correct. Already, how your body reacts. That's where people kind of miss that. They're like, well, let's just double if I did this in five hours, and I'm 10 hours. Okay? 11, right. You're just like, now your body breaks down at a higher rate. The further you get away from the start, and contact

Kenny Bailey<br>: 28:42

points at mile 50 on your pedal. You don't get a hotspot until mile 80. You're like, crap, where did that come from? Because that didn't come from on the 56. But now it's 85 miles. I still have 15 Miles my foots on fire. But yeah, yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 28:54

yeah. Hey, that's, yeah. And I think more than like, the trail runs, I've learned that, you know, with that 25k. And when I hit 15k, I'm great. Like, I can just keep going. I felt like I just did, baby. Yeah. And then two and a half three miles into it. I was like, I can't make it. I don't think I don't think I'm gonna make it. Because a lot can happen in a very short distance. And then yeah, so yeah, The

Tom Regal: 29:20

show runs teach you so much about yourself because you're riding the peak, and then you're at the bottom of the valley, and then you're back on the peak and then you're down to the bottom, back to the back and you're just like, you're just like, I'm gonna get through this, I will get through this, you it. You become a totally different person. By the end of those things. It's just amazing. So, so we're, David, we are super excited. Thank you for agreeing to come on and share all of this with us because we're, I mean, we just after talking to you last year, I was like, You know what, you're doing more of these things. I think you're a guy we want to follow because, like all of this is a bat to show people that you can hit roadblocks and how you keep moving past them like Kenny that your attitude is great about leaning in. And doing all of that. I think that that vibe works for everybody who's going to run across things that are a lot less important than yours. And, and still be able to find ways to work through them and get there. And you know how this progresses throughout the year with the ups and downs. So thank you so much for coming on. With us, so this is gonna be fantastic.

Brandon Gibson: 30:25

Thank you guys for having me. I'm excited. I'm excited to share this journey. Because it's, it's it's a journey.

Tom Regal: 30:33

It's a big journey.

Brandon Gibson: 30:35

Life is all about how you deal with the failures and the roadblocks. Right. So this is just another way.

Tom Regal: 30:43

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