Adoh Doherty - Athletes in Motion Podcast

Narrator: 0:10

Welcome to the athletes in motion podcast from race to recovery. With your hosts Tom regal and Kenny Bailey

Tom Regal: 0:19

Hey Kenny, how you doing?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:31

I'm doing fantastic. Tom, how are you?

Tom Regal: 0:32

I'm fantastic as well. We have a great guest today. Adoh Doherty, who's here who is a US Men's elite triathlete pro like kicking ass in the short course world and that's why we're super happy to have him here because we're talking about short course. Yes, loving it. Olympic distance sprint distance. None of this long course BS. So, super excited to have you here. Aido welcome. Give us your background. What's your story? How are you doing?

Adoh Doherty: 1:04

Yeah, so thank you guys so much for having me. This is exciting show. Of course, a lot of people think triathlon and then they're like, oh, Ironman, you know half. So I hear this all the time stuck to have people that love the Short Course World warms my heart is nice, but my name is Aido from Boston, Massachusetts, professional track,

Tom Regal: 1:22

which helps as well, Boston. Yeah. Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 1:25

there we go. He's done with us. Yeah. But I have been racing triathlon professionally for two and a half years. And I started as a run back round ran track and cross country at the University of Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. And then I transitioned to triathlon in June of 2020.

Tom Regal: 1:46

Nice, what drew you to triathlon?

Adoh Doherty: 1:50

So to lose a bit, no, I know, sometimes I look back and I'm like, Man, how did this all start? But actually, the journey began, it always was and always has been the Olympic dream. So my this is, this is my story. If you know me, you know this story. But my father was a World Class runner, he ran track at the elite level. And at his highest level, he was Olympic caliber. And he never made the team. Wow, boycotted the games. And he didn't have the support to further his career. So I carried the Olympic burden, if you will, so and I thought it was going to be in track and field. Yeah. And, and then by the end of my running career as a super senior, I owe you. It just wasn't happening. Yeah, a lot of stuff has happened in the sport. So I'd made the transition. Did you

Kenny Bailey<br>: 2:34

know is that something that you put upon yourself on being the Olympic dream, or is that something like, was it part of what your dad wanted to or was it you're like, hey, I want to live the dream. He wasn't able to live?

Adoh Doherty: 2:43

Yes. Yeah. I'd say it's more like I'm going to do. I'm going to do this weather. Yeah, exactly. My dad started this journey. And I'm finishing it. Yeah. He, my family provided me a better life than they had. And it's my job, my opportunity, my pressure, which is an opportunity to fulfill the rest of the journey, because it's not my Olympic dream, or my Olympic goal. It's our Olympic goal.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 3:08

So when you when you came to the realization, like you said, you were a super senior at Oklahoma? Yep. It was like, Okay. This may I mean, at what point did you did you know, okay, that's probably not going to be that path. That's yeah, I mean, was it a tough thing for you to kind of make that realization? Was it? Yeah. Or was it like it was it?

Adoh Doherty: 3:27

So my heart has always been in the sport of track and field and in running, running to this day is still my favorite discipline of the three? And what distance were you running? I middle distance a disk. And so I didn't want 3k to 10k over cross country. So we're middle distance to long distance, if you will. But as the career in college was starting to come to a close, I was starting to lose this like fire from this racing and people were getting so much faster. And doping started getting through the roof, my junior so kid air, so that was obvious. Yes. And the track and field world was really starting to get plagued with some serious doping problems and domestically, internationally, of course. So that's just something obviously, I'm not going to be a part of and I, I suffered so many injuries, being just a track runner doing 70 plus miles a week for 15 years of my life, that that forced me in a pool forced me on a bike, where I was like, Man, I have a lot of strengths outside of solely running that, that I really think I can make something happen in this triathlon world.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 4:30

So you decided, let's just give it a go. Right? Well, it's a more of a less it was listed or your Yeah, I'm gonna lean into this. No,

Adoh Doherty: 4:37

it was it was we're not. No, we're not gonna feel it from your family. No, no, when I do anything, it's I'm headfirst. I'm all in. And so basically what I did was like Pete COVID. What I did was, I reached out to a few coaches and USA Triathlon. And I said, Okay, how do we make this transition from division? One collegiate runner. Yeah, whose descent into a multi sport athlete in the shortest time possible. Yeah. And I really like that. And they laughed. This was 2020. And I was like, Oh, I plan on being in the Olympic trials for Tokyo. And then I might, the coach that I'm with now is like, we don't even have it on Olympic trials, the same track and I'm so adverse. I was like, I need to reverse but that's how I do it. I'm all in. I'm in this for the Olympics. So I didn't actually switch over to triathlon for the passion of triathlon or the love of the sport. It was really just to continue this Olympic journey. And that's the path that that God opened for me. So, but yeah, I interviewed these coaches, I ended up selecting James Peterson at JP elite. And I knew he developed, he's developed dozens of amateurs, and brought them to the elite level then surpass and become world class at the elite level. So I was like, This is my guy. I moved to New Hampshire. Did I move? Yeah, I moved to New Hampshire, right away, packed everything up Jersey drove 28 hours from Oklahoma to New Hampshire. And the rest is kind of history. And

Kenny Bailey<br>: 6:03

that's kind of cool. So of the three disciplines, which which ones were kind of to yours, you. Most people say it's the swimming. I don't know if this one we just I came to you naturally or was it the cycling? Or which which of the other two? I mean, obviously, you can run so of

Adoh Doherty: 6:16

course. So James had me do a bike test, a 20 minute power test on a bike that I borrowed on a train, it looks like a spaceship. You got used to this, you got to know what the kicker is on. I'm like, What is this next level? Where I've only ever seen a treadmill? Yeah, so I was like, oh, man, this guy's this guy's a brilliant coach. Look at the science. So as a run background, I actually translated really well to cycling and the 20 minute power test. He was very, very pleased with it. And he was like, asked, like, how's the swim? I'm lying. Like, I've never taken a clock and I learned how to swim at 20 years old. And lose not it's like a language if you didn't do it as a as a child. Senator, you're really late to the party. Yeah. And so I I was very, very, very developmental, and that's putting it very kindly. The bike in the run of have have kind of been a real strengths for me. That swim man is a son of a gun, especially in draft League.

Tom Regal: 7:17

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Because you guys are going all out. This isn't this is sprinting, and you can't miss that draft pack and miss the pack. You get dropped off the bag. It's all over. So

Kenny Bailey<br>: 7:28

yeah, cuz I'm thinking the swim part. The irony is swimming, right is if you fight the water, it gets lowered. Right? Exactly. So if you try to get angry, like you went on a bike, right, you can't just power through something you've got to figure out because it's skill. It's like golf. It's great. It's the most frustrating. Yeah, like you want to get it right. It's great when you don't, yeah, it's suck because you

Adoh Doherty: 7:45

can't power your way on the bike on the train or just slam your lips to no tomorrow and on the swim, the more power you put in, it's like you're actually doing yourself a disservice, you end up just fighting yourself. Water. So it's like you need almost like, relax yourself. Find that grace and then find the you know, the Yeah, happy place. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 8:02

exactly. Happy place. And then hopefully that Happy Places on somebody else's feet.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 8:07

Yes, yes, exactly. So from an endurance standpoint, I mean, like you said, he had some injuries dealing with on the bike or on the runs from did that endurance translate pretty easily? Did you have like that aerobic capacity already in you? Because you're doing three to write up? It? Was that was there? Yes. Yeah. It wasn't just that it was just more forming technique, or was it?

Adoh Doherty: 8:26

Yeah, how to transfer the power. So it's actually crazy. So the swim, as you all know, you take oxygen for granted. Especially coming from a run background, you really take oxygen for granted. So yes, I might be some of the most aerobic ly fit numbers on paper when it comes to a runner. Yeah, but man, it's like, I didn't even know what breathing was when I got into swim. So that that aerobic endurance, I almost had to like, shape it and tailor that to swimming. So because I'm over here, like, how do I breathe? I'm like lifting my lifting my head. I'm doing all this really inefficient stuff, which is making me more exhausted, you know? So I actually, it didn't really translate all that great in the swim, believe it or not.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 9:04

Yeah, I can kind of see that too. Like I said, it's a different you

Tom Regal: 9:07

get about 30% of the oxygen that you actually need. We always say it's overrated anyway. Yeah, you don't need to just put your head down and go, but you're

Adoh Doherty: 9:15

hydrating, at least while you're doing swallow. Especially in the initial stages of learning how to properly swim, you just swallow in the waters. It's like, they're like, Oh, don't lift your head. It's like, well, I'm kind of gotta get my mouse. So

Tom Regal: 9:27

the distance for the races that you're swimming is how much what's the what is it? What does it come down to?

Adoh Doherty: 9:33

So for the sprint, 750 meter seven and then 1500 50? For the for the Olympics,

Tom Regal: 9:38

for the Olympics. So what is your training load? Look for it light per week? Yep. So swimming, how many times per week and how much per session?

Adoh Doherty: 9:47

Yes, so we're on a eight day training cycle, which is pretty unique. Not a lot of coaches are doing any day training cycle. But when you're fully in triathlon, you have flexibility because you have just training. Yeah, but we'll do we'll swim I'll swim six out of seven out of those eight days of the training cycle and 5k a day and

Tom Regal: 10:06

5k day Yeah, think about that. 5k day keeps the 15 100k right to for 15 100k Raise your you're doing 5000 meters a day. Yeah, so

Kenny Bailey<br>: 10:15

there's a whole bunch I want to unpack here on Oh boy. Well you know personally I'm you know, I was doing long distance and this is your I want to do more sprint distance. I'm gonna go faster I think go far. Sir. I have questions. Yes. For the audience, just to just to ground them a little bit. You know, most people when they start in triathlon, it's, you know, there's no draft. Right? There's there's rules in place. When you look at an Olympic. Like what you're racing there it is draft legal. How can you tell us how it's different? Or how it's the same as like a half Ironman? Yes,

Adoh Doherty: 10:44

yes. So I might get some flack for this, but I would like that. Yeah, I think short course draft legal racing is proper racing. I think you're gonna get shivers. Yeah. I said, I, I think long course racing is sending oil to your more racing yourself and one course racing 100 opposed to racing a field. In draft legal, you're actually you're actually like, I feel like you're rubbing elbows you're really getting nitty gritty with with these other guys in it. So not that long course. Isn't racing. It's still is racing. But it's just you have to be five bike links. But there's you have to Yeah, there really is no, yeah, the rules are kind of tossed out the window, because you've got carnage in the swim. Because you know, you got to be first to that buoy. Or then you got you got to be in the bike pack. And the mounts are crazy. So it's like, yeah, it's a little bit more relaxed. In my experience, because I've done long courses when I've done long course. In my experience, it's it doesn't feel as much like racing in that long.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 11:39

Okay, yeah. So it let's let's take a sprint, for example. So your 750 in the water, you're basically it's literally sprinting, right, your current heart out on that you want to be either

Tom Regal: 11:49

running in from a beach or jumping off a park. Right. So you're lined up shoulder to shoulder Yes. And the gun goes off and

Kenny Bailey<br>: 11:57

turns into washing machine. Which is

Tom Regal: 12:00

which is what the old the old days you'll be for even long course was we all just jumped in together. You were so

Kenny Bailey<br>: 12:06

was it smacking and fighting and you mean you're getting hit? Yeah. Laughter They tend to be because amateurs are crazy when they do back in the I mean, I got in a group with 120 Guys, and it was just pandemonium. Because I don't know how to swim. I

Tom Regal: 12:18

swam with 3000 other people. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 12:21

Brutal. Yes. Yes, it was brutal. You guys have experienced but it's that same thing.

Adoh Doherty: 12:26

It's carnage. Yeah, it's just pure carnage. Especially at at the level that I'm at. It's you have 7074 other men that are very similar, relatively speaking relative,

Tom Regal: 12:36

are all within a second of each other. And your last race, looking at some of Yeah, looking at that. So imagine that you're not getting in a group with your age group where you've got a couple of really good ones, and then a couple of really bad ones, and everybody's stretched out. You're talking about everybody that's within fighting to get like two tenths of a second. Yes, each other. I mean, that puts you all at the line together. Right?

Adoh Doherty: 12:58

There's no avoiding that. Misery loves company. It's awesome. It is it really is. So I enjoy it's yeah, it's proper racing.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 13:06

Yeah, yeah. We have our guests Rosie.

Tom Regal: 13:09

Rosie the official. Okay, so

Kenny Bailey<br>: 13:12

your bike distances? How

Adoh Doherty: 13:13

long? Sprint 20k? Olympic 40k. So

Kenny Bailey<br>: 13:16

on the 20k bike, are you it's a road bike that you're correct. Correct. So? Yeah. So. So basically, again, it's your 20k courses are very fast. I mean, they get very

Adoh Doherty: 13:28

technical, typically technical, a lot of you turns because you know John and arrow on a TT bike, you don't have access to brakes, you can't really do turns because you got limitations with the with the bike. So yes, you're on a road bike. And it's

Kenny Bailey<br>: 13:42

it's like it's like a you know, like the road race. And

Adoh Doherty: 13:45

there's white bombs, there's a lot of white bombs every you turn, everybody's trying to drop everybody you're trying to get to first first a tee to so you can have you're not crashing gal, you dismounting your bikes, you can get your shoes, you really want to get to the front of that pack. So you're really trying to, for 20k, you're really positioning yourself in to get yourself set up for a proper transition.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 14:05

Got it. And then you're trying to 5k to 5k for this brand new 5k 10k 10k. So

Tom Regal: 14:10

you're then you're looking at strategy to get in there, but it's all about the run, right? It's all about the run, you need to pace yourself be with the packs to get through it to get off and throw down the fastest run of life every single time Swim,

Adoh Doherty: 14:23

swim for show run for dough. That's not my phrase, by phrase. That's just like that's it. That's draft legal. So it's true. Yeah. And then run is just, it's more or less how, how much damage did I not do on the swim in the bike that what can I piece together here? You know?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 14:39

So that's so the question becomes strategy to me on that one. Right. So, two questions on that. So on the sprint distance when you talk about strategy, if, if if you have somebody that that if you're at 100% and there's somebody pulling away, are you are you kind of trying to dig a little bit more, or do you try to say no, no, no, I think I'm going to be able to catch them on the run or if you don't You're done? Nope.

Adoh Doherty: 15:00

Great. That's a great question. And this is why it's this is why this is so such intense sport is because no no you don't think of the next discipline when you're in the current discipline when you're out swim. If they're going you go if there's a breakaway on the bike, you go it doesn't matter and and this is true, I race a little bit more unorthodox than normal. And where if I'll make the move on the bike, I'll be the guy that says I'm gonna fall No, no, I don't want to torture people. Yeah, I like the pain. So but but no, it's I actually the reason why it's a little bit more on orthodox is because I don't think about the bike portion when I'm in the swim. It's not like oh, I need to save a few minutes that's what I'm exactly I don't think that way I don't think that way I get I get to the bike now we're focused on getting this done. You know, obviously you want to race smart and be the best be the most efficient that you can. But you're not letting that pack go. If that pack goes your race goes you're so yeah, it's it's there's no matches to be saved when you get to the run it's it's

Kenny Bailey<br>: 16:04

so when you when you approach an Olympic distance over a sprint and is it just the same thing and the pain is gonna be longer? Or? Or is there a little bit yes,

Adoh Doherty: 16:11

there's a little bit more control in the Olympic distance, especially with that 40k bike the bike groups are might be more apt to come together because people want to prep for that. 10k

Kenny Bailey<br>: 16:20

Okay, and then it's just 10k is the same thing as a 5k Yes, it twice to hertz twice as long that

Adoh Doherty: 16:25

one is the one that hurts a lot. Yeah, especially because we race typically in very warm places. Very high places that you really start to feel the extra 20k You just biked in in heat got

Kenny Bailey<br>: 16:39

it? So on on the types of courses which ones do you prefer the most? Do you like the like the lake ones? Do you like the hilly ones because some people like if you're good on hills want to be able to draw people you're more of a flat person which is of course type you like or you don't really care just

Adoh Doherty: 16:51

I'm gonna I'm not supposed to say this stuff. Okay, no, no, I'm strong and very controversial. I'm stronger. We're having I'm strong on all courses. I mean, you prefer I'm a bigger guy. I'm a bigger guy. I need to talk to you I struggle in the hills. I the flats is is what you definitely that's my jam. I watts per kilo is on the flats are just much better on the hills. Okay, and we saw this in Barbados last weekend. It's two weekends ago. It just the hills man it's just not my now you think not my favorite thing?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 17:23

Well, you gotta go that's a buck 35 That's yeah, great.

Tom Regal: 17:26

There's a lot for kilo or kind of catch up on the downhill

Kenny Bailey<br>: 17:30

don't always work.

Tom Regal: 17:32

That's the thought. Try to get it there. Yeah, so fascinated

Kenny Bailey<br>: 17:37

on a couple of things. So how how quickly it sounds like it was very quickly because you're because of your skill in Oklahoma. And your run background that you were able to get to that elite level in a fairly quick order right. Nothing wrong with injuries. Knock on wood on that one No nagging you know, we run the game back No,

Adoh Doherty: 17:55

so James is just mad James when it comes to injury prevention. James is incredible. And I've I've worked with so many coaches and I've been on multiple different teams to get to where I'm at now. And injuries have always been something that's haunted my career always always but the way that James tailors our training is just it's been so incredible and I've it's really translated well to me and I haven't I really haven't suffered any serious injuries you know, things here and there like niggles you know, but nothing nothing by any means serious because he's he's so hands on. He's really keeping the reins because I'm one that if you don't put the reins on, I'm I'll do the 100 mile. He actually has to pump the brakes for me and to keep me healthy. But his philosophy is just consistency just outlasting just like Outlast everyone to keep consistent. And that's much more important than getting an extra mile or two or an extra 1000 in the pool. So yeah, it's all regulated by the boss. Yeah, nice.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 18:53

This is this is a fun conversation. So because we're so used to you know, we talked a longer distance right? Half Ironman, full Ironman, right? Where, where you know, it's it's pace yourself, it stay within yourself, if somebody goes away, you blow up now on the run, you're gonna get, you know, you always do that. Yeah, the other thing is, you know, everything in triathlon is always the fourth discipline is nutrition. Yes. So, how does that How do you deal with I mean, it's a short race. So you're not like you're right a fuel. So it just basically tells how kind of you get ready for a race. Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 19:24

that's, that's great. So it's a little bit different for a sprint versus an Olympic sprint, you're looking at about 50 to 56 minutes depending on course lane. So fueling terrain, we just pause. Sorry. We're drafting we're drafting. That's totally down the road. It gets you down the road. That's the only reason we still have to catch the group. It's just say, just say drafting mosey down the road a little bit. Yeah, but when it comes to fueling during I won't do gels juice goons choose I won't do anything during for a sprint. Yeah. mainly because I'll take that goo or chew just before the swim. Got it. And it's, it's, you're

Tom Regal: 20:06

pretty much good.

Adoh Doherty: 20:06

You're pretty much good. Yeah, I'll have a half a bottle on the bike. Half a standard bottle. I don't know the exact amount but about half of it as a nutrition in that or, yeah, I'll do like a blank sports type of powder style heavy carb. Electrolyte specially warm for sweat. Sure. But on an Olympic, that's where you actually have to start taking into play and timing caffeine and stuff like that. So caffeine, okay. Yeah. And I'm not a big caffeine user. And I don't drink coffee. I don't drink any caffeine outside of outside of competition. Wow, rarely consumed caffeine. So

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:39

I'm actually I hear it's better, right? Because the hit better?

Tom Regal: 20:42

Because yeah. Who drinks so much? I

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:44

just yeah, it's down for shots on espresso. Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 20:48

then you need more? Just yeah. You know,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:50

I'm over the corner. Yeah. If you're always, if you're

Adoh Doherty: 20:53

always firing on all cylinders with all this caffeine, it's like when you get to a race, it's like, shoot now when you take four times the amount of so I try to keep it general. It's actually jet fuel, but on an Olympic and probably, I definitely am on the lower end of fueling during, because I like to properly fuel before you know. So it's like, because I I'm still trying to nail the man, I gotta get this down while also pushing 345 watts. Yeah. You know, it's like, sometimes your body's just like rejecting it. Yeah.

Tom Regal: 21:19

So typically what time of day, the race is start. This is not it does fluctuate. It does not. It's not like Formula One where it's like the 6am type stuff. Yeah, I mean, afternoon, you've got some different stuff. So how do you plan the fuelling around that? Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 21:32

well, if you're racing in Europe, or Asia, it's typically afternoon races. In the Americas, they sometimes like to go early, especially South America, because it's just so so hot. So so yeah. So you almost need to look at the schedule, and you plan it, but in training, you're playing with it, right? Yeah. So it's like, okay, if if we're going to have that 9am Start, that's typically when we stop practice everyday Anywho. So it's like I have a pretty good regimen for a nine o'clock slot. It's those afternoon ones that you're almost not accustomed to. So it's like you almost need to play with it for those pm sessions and training to prepare for those afternoon races in Yeah,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 22:09

that'd be kind of weird, right? Like, what are you doing? 11. Again, we joke about

Tom Regal: 22:13

I complain, so many people complain about starting the race, or we have to get a four in the morning to get to the race start to get over and do this thing. And like, everyone's like, Man, I hate this. I hate this. And then you start later. And they're like, I don't know how to eat and it's true. All of a sudden, they're like, Wow, it's too hot. Well, that's where we start. Really,

Adoh Doherty: 22:29

you're complaining? Either way? You don't want to start early. But you also don't want to start in the afternoon. Yes, like, I get it. Let's

Kenny Bailey<br>: 22:36

switch over to training volume. Because this is fascinating. Because you know, again, for longer distance ones, you know, you just you're not just putting in the numbers to read. How are you approaching? You said he did four hours on a bike today.

Adoh Doherty: 22:49

Yeah, why a long ride?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 22:52

Well, I mean, if you're writing for how many minutes you write with never more than an hour. Yeah, so so are their volume days or their speed as of course, you just kind of walk us through,

Adoh Doherty: 23:02

right. So the goal, of course, is you try to get 22 to 28 hours of training, training volume a week. So with the eight day cycle, we have a little bit of extra flexibility. But we try to the intense days are going to be intense. So if we're doing a if we're doing like an intense threshold swim, that'll typically be paired with a pm threshold run. And that's typically like a date too. But if you're having a more in, if you're having like a more high volume day, it'll be okay. We're going to do all three disciplines. And we're just going to hit it nice and easy. We don't say like recovery, but it'll be like aerobic endurance. Yeah. And it'll be like 5k easy set swim. And it'll be like a two hour ride and a 45 to 60 minute run. All easy, all self regulated, to keep you healthy and heart rates for everything. Yeah, so yeah, but it's it's typically every other for the eight day cycle, which makes it real nice. Yeah. And then at the end of those weeks, like six and eight it'd be long run aerobic endurance day long ride. So today was my long ride.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 24:04

Okay, so when you're doing like, what's an example of like, when you guys do an intense runs? What What would that look like?

Adoh Doherty: 24:10

It's all of course, it's placement, where you're at in the season. Now we're very early in the season. So it'll be longer ish tempo type stuff, okay, real like a, like threshold, aerobic threshold. Kind of keep the zone low, but it's once you get to later in the season, that's when you start doing like sharpening where it's like okay, now we're gonna get into doing six hundreds and we're gonna get into doing a case because mind you, I'm not doing a half marathon off the bike, I'm doing a 5k So we need to get those miles under five minute pace. So we really need to get that speed going three minute K reps and, and things along those lines, but that's typically later into the season. Okay,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 24:44

so if you're, let's say an amateur that used to do long races or does long races that you want to try to get faster. Yep. What what would be like the three things that you're you know, 22 to 28 hours I mean, you're a professional you do this for a living right? So for People that are that are trying to just get a little bit faster, you know, half of our folks that watch it or kind of, you know, they do this for fun or weekend warriors, how do you, you know, what would be your recommendation on sort of how do you start incorporating more speed? How do you start incorporating more intensive

Adoh Doherty: 25:13

question? Yeah, I think I think we, I think you'd keep the training volume, similar to where you're at, you can actually incorporate pieces of intensity into that volume. So the body can actually handle more than than we think, as long as you're kind of listening to it and recovering properly. But if you're limited with hours, and you're working like a nine to five, you can actually incorporate instead of having one day dedicated to to real serious intense sessions, you can actually add a little bit of intensity or like a half b of intensity to your aerobic days. And that'll kind of give you like sharpness. Yeah, but when you're transitioning, when you're transitioning from one course to short course, the volume, I'm not saying the volume is less important, because obviously that that is very important. But the intensity is needs to be cranked up. Because you're not, you're not going out there just steady on the run, you need to approach it with a different pace. strides is a major thing on the run that will help major things. So if you're just going aerobic endurance run, and just take an extra five minutes, or take five minutes off your aerobic run, and just take five minutes and just do a couple 150 meter strides, you know, and just walk in between, you know, take the stride, 90 seconds, walk 62nd Walk, 150 stride, 150 stride, and that that'll kind of wake the legs up. And you're almost like cheating by getting like a fake little workout in when really was just an aerobic. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 26:35

yeah, very nice. I think the key is, the key is that you're just not doing the same pace all the time. Like if you want to go faster, you have to have to run faster. To get the leg speed, you need to pick some of that up. So for people we you know, we start we start talking about athletes in the in the spring, as we're getting through there. You need to mix your sets up a little bit. So it's not all aerobic, we want zone to we want that base. We're gonna get that in there, of course, but there needs to be a day. That's kind of tempo and a day that takes a little vo to max

Adoh Doherty: 27:04

out. Yeah, I'm not minimizing volume. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, that because that's obviously that's important. What

Tom Regal: 27:09

we find is that it's not it's the it doesn't matter what volume they do, they do at the same pace, I see him I see athletes, so they get in there and they swim. And he tell him to swim fast. And their arm speed is exactly the same as their slow speed, which is exactly the same as their best speed. And it's just like, and they're wondering why they're not getting any better. It was like, Okay, well, we have to add those that the little speed stuff in those drives, things like that, of course, it's exactly what you need to do is get your feet faster, your arms faster, yes. And then the speed comes with, of course comes through. So I mean, you guys are the pinnacle of

Adoh Doherty: 27:38

that every swim set, every swim set we do, we will always have a descent to race pace. Even if it's just an aerobic day, you will always touch the speed in which we want to race out. Yeah, because swimming is unique running, running, you almost can't do that every day, because impact that will get you up too much, right. But swimming, you can actually touch race pace, every swim. And it really won't affect your fatigue levels. Long term. I'm talking 150 A couple hundreds, like four by 100% or something. I'm not talking sets, but you can touch race pace in every single swim and more or less be obvious to a couple of 50 Yeah, just a couple of 50s at race pace, get and change it you know, stroke rate, yeah, kick rate and say yeah, if you play with it, it just incorporate that just a little bit. But y'all already got the endurance for being a long course. Anyway, you've got that aerobic base that foundation, but it's now we just start to sprinkle in a little bit faster. And y'all got it. Alright,

Tom Regal: 28:32

listen, it makes the workouts a little bit more exciting. Spice it up. Just not this boring thing. Same thing. Let's mix it up, mix it up, bring your break your sets up.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 28:43

So I'm just trying to understand again, for for the folks that are listening myself too. I mean, just give us a scope of sort of when we're talking fast when you guys are fast. I mean, how fast is fast, like when you what is your what do you need to be at to be competitive on your swim on your run? Right and on your bike? All right,

Adoh Doherty: 28:59

so the standard on the swim is double O's in yards. So faster than five minutes and a 500 and this pool, okay, so for 500 yards, so a double, those are faster, five minutes or faster. watts per kilo, wondering, do you wanna do watts per kilo? Or just watts for 20 minutes?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 29:15

Probably. Well, I mean, it depends. It will. Yeah, so I guess it depends on your song. Yeah, you

Adoh Doherty: 29:19

have to be over 400 watts for 20 minutes, sub five minutes. And 505k You got to be under 15 minutes. Preferably under 1430.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 29:28

Okay, so for all those people looking to try to become professional. That's that's the that's the boss.

Tom Regal: 29:37

You got the guys that are really beating me. I was gonna say that. That's the back of the line. Right? Yeah. Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 29:43

that's standards. Oh, and then you're ready. Yes. Yes. And my coach is so upfront about it. He's like, the standard is the standard. I don't make the standard. You don't make the standard. This is what they're doing. And I just kind of gave you a conservative conservative.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 29:58

People like the Bradley's out there, they were just like crushing it right? Right. Right, those guys.

Adoh Doherty: 30:02

And they started earlier. So yeah, you got to think I didn't even know triathlon existed until I was in my 20s. Yeah, you got in Europe, these Europeans, they, they were born for triathlon, you know, they were shaped and tailored into the sport. So it's like, we're kind of Stein in the dugout, these guys are already on second base. Yeah,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 30:20

yeah. Just got more to make up. Right. Yeah. So you said you're early in your season now. So give us a kind of a layout of what your season looks like. Yeah. So is this your third year in this? Yes,

Adoh Doherty: 30:29

this is my third international year. So I raced my first season as an amateur to get my feet wet understand the sport of triathlon, learn the sport, did 70.3 I did a Olympic distance I did non draft I did draft legal I did ers, all that stuff. But now, obviously, we knew why we transition to sport Olympic Games, Olympic Games, short course draft legal only. Yeah. So with that said, the short course schedule is typically March to October, maybe September, but we start with usually a very low key mixed team relay to open the season, get the cobwebs off, and then you kind of hit the ground running in March. So just got back from Barbados. And now we have a little bit of a lull. A little bit of a training block, like eight weeks, and then end of May will probably be my next race. And then we'll look at racing every six to eight weeks. Until late September, early October.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 31:27

Okay, is there one, you've got a circle on your calendar that you're looking forward to? Yes,

Adoh Doherty: 31:31

in September, mid September, there's the Asian champs in Tokyo and that's an Olympic distance. And I really want to start touching a couple of Olympic distances a year because I've only done one on Olympic distance thus far in the in the World Triathlon events, international elite races. So I really want to start doing a couple two to three a season. Last year we did one this year. I'm thinking two so I'm thinking Asian champs and Tokyo would be a really good

Tom Regal: 31:58

one. Okay.

Adoh Doherty: 32:00

How's that course? Flat fast?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 32:02

So it suits you really well? Yeah, it's

Adoh Doherty: 32:04

it's typical eight of course for me.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 32:08

So if it's six how does that training look like then so if it's six to seven weeks like if get off of a race How much time do you allow yourself grace period to kind of rest from that? Or is it because it's so short that you don't need that kind of? Yeah, it's

Adoh Doherty: 32:20

you don't you don't need a lot the thing is that what really is the killer is international travel with the toe with the timezone instead of your diet and things like that. It's like a shoot because the race obviously you get you get a feeling and effect from the race. But it's it's really the travel that will get you so it's just a day we'll have like a one day flop in the swim. Spin it out on the bike. Yeah. And then the ground running. Got it.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 32:45

Yeah, because of the distance is so short. It's not like when you're doing a big Of course, you get like a week off to do whatever. Yes. How many days in advance? Do you want to be in country before you raise?

Adoh Doherty: 32:54

Minimum four? Oh, no kidding. Minimum four. Yeah, I'd like to I like to personally do five I for Barbados. We did. We got there on Tuesday, and we raced on Saturday. Okay, something like that is an acclamation thing is primarily there. Yes. And it's a big diet thing as well, when it goes when you go new places. Man, I've gotten food poisoning too many of times. It's like you really want to go acclimate whether of course timezone adjustment. And then you kind of want to see the course you want to see how things are run. Okay, at this time, the tides looking like this. So anticipate waves or just things like that. And it takes time to do those studies. Sure.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 33:31

Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It's just fascinating, because it's such a different, you know, to like you said, I mean, at the beginning of this thing, you were talking about how everyone automatically assumes when you talk to somebody, well, did you go to Hawaii? This question either, right? And the intensity that you're talking about? Is it just such a different thing? When you're when you're talking Iron Man or half Iron Man, it's a matter of not survival. But you know, like you said, planning and in nutrition and, you know, save your matches for the run. This one is just balls out until until the finish line, and then you can then you can worry about it. But to the point it's like I don't think about the run until I'm on the run. That's, that's fascinating, right? And when you're talking like and the other thing too, is it's basically road race right on your bike because it's amazing to me. multiple loops. Yes. It's always so it's bumping it's

Adoh Doherty: 34:23

spectator friendly, very spectator

Tom Regal: 34:25

friendly. And you can you can stream it and watch it I think the World Triathlon website has it. So I think it's like $35 a year and you can watch all the races. Yeah. If you want to watch some fun stuff. This is this volume

Kenny Bailey<br>: 34:39

thing is kind of what what's surprising to me is how much volume Yeah, we just got such a short rate. Yes. It's

Adoh Doherty: 34:45

still important. You have to have that aerobic Foundation. And the intensity just builds upon that you have to still have the foundation. The

Tom Regal: 34:51

foundation is what keeps you injury free.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 34:52

Well, who's the guy that won the Olympic one and they were doing failed? Yep, Christian, and they were mocking him because he was doing Ironman distance training. Like, how funny is that? And then he just blew everybody out of the course. Yeah,

Adoh Doherty: 35:05

people are people are shocked to discover that short course triathletes translate very well to long course, the volume will just say, maybe Sam, like Sam long that Sam might be doing is very similar to what you know, like Chase is doing a short course or something. It's very it's very hand in hand. It's just a matter of where you're dropping in that intensity. The volume is more or less. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 35:28

yeah. Yeah. Well, I

Kenny Bailey<br>: 35:29

think to your pace, it's, it's the other thing. It's the nutrition. It's, you know, because you see, cause half of these guys like, yeah, you're halfway through the marathon and all of a sudden, you know, they're walking through the Yeah, aid stations. Yeah. It's like, you know, you miss one bottle. And you know, there are days. It's true. It's just kind of amazing. Yep. Before we got on we were talking about kind of your day is not your you're busy, man. Yes.

Tom Regal: 35:51

We're gonna have to post a picture of your car. Yeah. bikes and everything he owns in this box tomorrow, Honda Element or something. Whatever it is, it's just like, it's pretty impressive.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 36:03

Yeah, no matter what, your fitness, Cheerios.

Tom Regal: 36:08

A life of a pro.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 36:09

So as you turn pro is the expectations like you have you have sponsors, you need to you know, shout out to your speaking of course,

Tom Regal: 36:18

speaking up cover.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 36:19

Thank you so much. So thank you, Jason. You know, you're you're doing a run later today, that kind of thing. So how, how do you balance that? Right? So you know, you have to get in the priority, obviously, is training. But yes, there has to be a priority of sort of letting your brain sort of rest. Yeah. Or figure by the time you get to the room tonight? That'll be the end of it. But yes. How do you you know, how busy is your schedule? And what do you try to do to try to maintain that? Yes. It's not as if maybe what I'm trying to say is, yeah, nine to five people, like you said, 95 people, then they try to do this afterwards. It's not like you just did your your training for a few hours. Now you're sitting around for 16 hours, right? None. So tell us kind of what you're doing and how you have to kind of balance that. Right.

Adoh Doherty: 36:59

So you said you said it. Training is priority? Yeah, that's, that's what's going to get me to be an Olympic podium. Yeah. But it's, you have to be all in like, doing the nine to five and trying to be an Olympic podium. Yep. Now typically doesn't go hand in hand. So for me, I'm the all in guy and we said this, I'm diving in headfirst. So it's, you really need to be prepared to uproot your life. Go move in with a team. I prefer the DTE experience daily training environment, which is why I live with my teammates. I see my coach every day. That's that's the experience. I believe in what it takes. And my training is, of course, going to take priority. I'm so grateful to have Jake like Jason as a sponsor, and these companies that want to join timeto, if you will, and it's there. They're kind of what keeps you afloat, gets you to races and obviously provides for you financially, but really, it's it's the training and that's it's tough. I miss weddings, I miss minerals, I don't have much of a social life. My teammates are my best friends ultimately. Sure, it's like it a lot of a lot of things in life take a hit. But yeah, for greatness. It's, that's, that's what you have to do. Yeah. And

Kenny Bailey<br>: 38:06

you've got you've got schedules where you have commitments you have to make Of course, places and that kind of thing.

Adoh Doherty: 38:10

So it's a joy, you know, it's like, things like this, it's a privilege, you know, it's like that's an it's not an as an act, I'm, I believe I'm more than an athlete. I think things like this, I love people I love, I love my community, my faith is really important to me. So it's like, there's there are things as as an athlete that I still have as obligations to myself, like I will always give myself those outlets, but something that not, in my experience I've noticed not a lot of triathletes do is they don't allow themselves at the time of like decompression. Yeah, every day, after my last session, I'll I'll do my proper refueling. And then from that time until bed, I'll allocate no time to triathlon. So believe it or not, as an elite triathlete, there are a couple of hours of my day where I do not think about triathlon, and as an endurance athlete in a lifestyle sport, that's very challenging, especially when you live with your teammates, your competition. Yeah, and you're seeing it, you know, so but I think that's the point. That's the longevity, that's the stuff that's going to keep me consistent is giving myself that time to not, you know, have that mental stress because the brain can actually exhaust you physically. Yeah, so I talk about that a lot. Yep. So I definitely try to have that like decompress time, which is my time with God or a movie or I'm reading or something like that. But it wouldn't be I'm reading for nutrition for my sport,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 39:30

right. You know, it's easy to do that, right? Because like you said, is your profession it is and you

Adoh Doherty: 39:34

want to do the little things you want to what's going to put what's gonna give me the edge. But what can I learn to that? Yeah, but it's there's a time and a place for that. Yeah. And in the decompression time, that is not the time. Yes, that's

Kenny Bailey<br>: 39:43

the time. And that's that and that's critical. Right. And absolutely. So I think that yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I think that's for anybody, right?

Tom Regal: 39:50

I mean, just for age groupers is the same thing, right? That life stress and the work stress and the training, stress all kinda converges on there and as much as you're trying to get all of this in You need to take that time you need to take that time to turn off completely and not so not work on anything. Right? Spend some family time just to chill. Yes, just chill and shut down. Yes. Okay, it's highly and

Adoh Doherty: 40:11

I cherish my family time because I don't see them. I do not see. I make a lot of sacrifices, but I have the support of my family feel that but when I get that time, which I think I'm gonna have a week coming up four or five days coming up here next week. That's that's so important special. That's part of my why of why I do what I do. Yeah. So it's like to get that those batteries recharged. You know, cuz See, no matter races and all the same, it's all business at a race. You know, I don't have the time to decompress in the race. Yeah. Or on a race week or something. So when when I'm not at a race environment, that's when

Tom Regal: 40:43

I joke about like, it's, you know, it's it's not our day job. No one's gonna paycheck chill out at the races. Want to talk about that? Yeah. For them, just stay away. Yes. Let them do exactly what you do get this stuff done. The rest of us are just out here going like, hey, there's no paycheck and volunteer. But I think

Adoh Doherty: 41:00

I actually think I think my parents are more stressed and nervous. And I think my mom might be scared that we'll get crashed out or something. And my dad's like, I need him to be the best. He needs to be the best. That's my son. That's my exactly, you know, so. That's fine. I don't live there anymore. Is

Kenny Bailey<br>: 41:21

it? Is it? Yeah. How would you approach it? Is it like nobody can talk to you when? I mean, do you have blinders on? Or are you generally pretty loose or?

Adoh Doherty: 41:32

No, no, no, no. So I that's how I used to be a university level NCAA. I used to be like, so intense, like headphones on eyes down. Nobody talks to me. I got I have to mentally prepare for I never raced well like that. That's why I'm a I'm a people person. I got energy. I like to talk to people I like to have, you know, I like to Yeah, this is who I am. Yeah. And I've noticed my races have suffered when I was like, almost two embedded into my focus, man. Now I'm all up in my head. Yeah. So now like, my approach is a little different. I don't do the headphones. I'm focused. But I like to have my like, you know, I'm still social but focused. Yeah. You know, you have to be light you have you've got to you got to toe the line light starts with the brain like

Tom Regal: 42:14

that. Because I've always wondered how the athletes do that when they show up with their headphones on and they're just like ignoring the world. Yeah, it's just, it's not a it's not a thing I could ever do. Yeah,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 42:22

I tend to get blinders as soon as I get more serious. Yeah, right. I guess when I do I have a checklist.

Tom Regal: 42:28

I want to make sure I get to certain things bike needs to be in the right spot. Right, right. Right. Go through some of that stuff. But then you can, okay, sit back and like, talk to people around you help somebody else.

Adoh Doherty: 42:37

I mean, I've had some of my best sessions with my teammates, when we're just kind of like joking around before the session. And not obviously we're very focused and serious. But yeah, when you're like messing around, listen to some music on the way to practice and stuff, you know, making jokes. I've had some my best sessions with that type of preparation, where it's like, why would I? Why would I alter what's working? Just because it's a race day fit your

Tom Regal: 42:58

personality? You have to you have to? That's awesome.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 43:01

So you're you mentioned the Olympics. What's that path look like right now? Yes. So

Adoh Doherty: 43:07

the path to the Olympic podium is is just insane. It's, it's definitely especially, and it takes a lot of time. So it's consistency. When I started on this journey, when I was talking to my coach, we always starred the US game. So in 2028, la is going to be hosting the game. So we always start that on the calendar of July and August of 2028. So it's a step by step process, you first take that elite license, then you race, kind of the domestic level, maybe like Conte cup level domestically, and then you start these international races, World Triathlon cup, World Series cups, and then Super League and stuff like that. But you kind of have to work your way up and you start checking these boxes, where it's like, okay, I'm at the Conte cup level, at the end of this year, I'll be at the World Cup level, and then a year or next year will be the World Triathlon Series level. And then you're you're rubbing elbows with, obviously Olympic podium greats. Got it? Yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 43:59

So how does the US pick their their athletes on that one? Yes, it because it points, points, points. So it's purely points. It's not like it's like to your points, not like the runners have to go show up in Eugene. And so

Adoh Doherty: 44:10

yeah, and we have we have an event called the test event, which will be exactly one year prior to the Olympic Games. Yeah. And that will be if you placed top eight, that's an auto qualify spot. Nice. So that's the non points one. So points will get you into that race. So to get invited to the to the test event, it'll be okay. We'll send the top four men in the top for American women to the testament. And then if any of them place in the top eight, that'll be an auto qualify spot. And then the other one or two spots for each Federation will be typically determined upon points,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 44:43

because all athletes are going to be represented for the US.

Adoh Doherty: 44:48

For women were guaranteed three spots. And it depends on how many men you have ranked in the top 81 I believe it is. So right now we're guaranteed at least two men at Paris. And it's looking like what Gonna get our third spot back there. Okay, great, because that Tokyo we only had two men. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 45:03

yeah. So we need to have more in the top 81 in the tougher and earn our third special spot there. So you're looking at three, three men, three women. Correct. Correct going through is there any additional that go just for the mix relays that a very good

Adoh Doherty: 45:19

question. The relays are typically derived of the of the athletes that are already gotten?

Tom Regal: 45:26

That's what I wanted to check on. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 45:27

So you have to be the top three in the United States?

Adoh Doherty: 45:30

Not necessarily okay. Because if you get invited to the test event, which you could be ranked in the top five in the US, and then place top eight on any given day? Yeah. Then you auto qualify to qualify USA selected someone that was ranked, I believe it was fifth and still went to the games because of his trajectory on the year of the game. Got it. Yeah. So you just got to be in the mix. Yeah. Got it.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 45:50

And how far are you away from the mix right now? Not

Adoh Doherty: 45:53

that far. I'm in the conversation. I've already raced have already raced a lot of a lot of these guys have already competed at the games. I obviously we have work to do. Yeah, I still feel so new to the sport. Sure. But yeah, we're not all that far. Okay. That's, that's, that's when you could taste it. Right. Ya know, and it's like, you try to keep the lid on, you know, and you try to him remain. have that

Tom Regal: 46:16

kind of patience a fun process. You've got a great coach that's got that. Yes, yes. He's got the vision. Yeah. And you know, you guys are get through there. And it's just trusting the process of making the adjustments as you go through this.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 46:30

That's the foot you have the goalpost to. So it's totally same thing is like any long distance course. Like it's your point, you know, you get to this point, right, I know what I need to do for 2024. Right? I only do 2025.

Adoh Doherty: 46:39

Perfect keep, you know, we just said the standard is the standard. So it doesn't matter the goalposts don't move. So it's like, this is what you know, as, as my coach always says, This is what he needs to do to get there. And he knows what we need to do. There's boxes, you have to check. There's races you have to do. So it's just it's just a matter of continuing to check boxes and stay on the path. Yes, I'm

Kenny Bailey<br>: 47:00

always fascinated to buy when you have elite athletes and pros that are that are coming to the line. Right. And you this probably happened during college. Collegiate. Yep. Time. And now. When you especially internationally, right, you when you look across and you see the other 74, do you already know the first Do you know the three that you're like, Okay, these are the three that are going to give me a problem. These are the three I don't need to work out or is everybody? is everybody's sort of equal in your head or do you care?

Adoh Doherty: 47:24

No, there's nobody else in the race. I don't Oh, that's that's nice. That's another that's another thing that's about my racing, that's I think might be unique. I don't study stop lists. Look, I don't care who I'm racing, interested in almost interesting. Almost doesn't matter. Okay. It doesn't matter. Like your race, your race, the race that you're in, right? Your race, the race that you're in, and kind of like we just kind of discussed and we broke down three disciplines. When you're in the swim. You don't it doesn't matter who's in front of you, who's behind you. Doesn't matter all he should be up there. He should be back there all he should beat me when you go in with a preconceived notion of oh, I should watch out for this guy. And come on.

Tom Regal: 48:00

Yeah, what if he has a bad day? And you're watching out for him? And all of a sudden the other group took off? And I could see in long course that it would be a little bit more strategy a little bit. Yeah. So you know that they've got a kick out as? Well. We're talking like, it's just redline. Yes. It's just,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 48:15

I mean, is it I was an amateur guy. So I'm not going to pretend I was good. But like when I showed up to a road race, bike race. Yeah, I mean, there were certain people you avoided there's certain people that you know, can take a good line that you know, is going to be able to slice appropriately. Especially if like somebody got 40k I just didn't know if it's like, okay, if I can get behind this person, I know I'm gonna get a good line, ya know, like, then I can be able to pass them.

Adoh Doherty: 48:38

But I'd say on the bike, this knowledge might be the most important like if you do know that there's, and at this level, you kind of seen the same guys you should know you know, the bike that they're right, you can see the sink. I know the color. I've been on this wheel before. So it's like in the bike, it might be good to have this knowledge of okay, I know he can bridge from group to group. I know he's capable, so I can find that wheel. But to get yourself all worked up by studying stop. I think that's more harm than it is good. If you're obviously you don't want to be completely ignorant to it. And I'm not but it's I'm not going to let I'm not letting somebody else's race affect my race. What I need to do I know where I need to be so that it doesn't matter who's around me better focus.

Tom Regal: 49:18

Yeah, that's that's definitely your focus point. So fantastic. Yeah. That's cool.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 49:24

This is fun, man, man. Yeah. I think this is, to your point, the first time we ever had somebody that was like, competitive short distance stuff, and it just breaks that whole, you know, stupid mentality. It's like, Well, are you gonna go longer? Why would I just go really fast? You know, I've

Adoh Doherty: 49:39

been born fast.

Tom Regal: 49:40

It's a different strategy. It's a different way to look at it. And I think it's exciting. I think it's fun to do. I like all distances. I've done all distances. I like, like they each have their own challenge and jump, of course, always throw in some sprints because man, I'm slow and I want to get fast. So I have to go faster, right? It just forces me to really pick the pace up or change up my training and throw some stuff in there practice.

Adoh Doherty: 50:04

I've been hearing this more or less my whole life growing up in Boston, of course. Hey, have you ever done Boston Marathon? Exactly. It's like, as soon as you hear that I'm a runner. It's always Oh, have you ever done? Yeah, have you done Boston qualifier? It's crazy. And now that I'm in triathlon, it's like, Oh, shoot. Have you ever done an Ironman? Yes, no, never. I've never done Boston. I've never done a marathon.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 50:26

And it's like, hey, yeah, right. Of course, it is.

Adoh Doherty: 50:29

Like, you change. You change sports, but it's like this. It's just still trails. You know? It's just like, it still sticks with you. And it's like, just because I only do short course doesn't make me any less of a triathlete. Yeah, just because I only race middle distance on the track doesn't make me any less of a runner. Exactly, exactly.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 50:44

That's, I'm glad you said it that way. Right. And

Tom Regal: 50:47

that's what we want to get rid of that word just to keep it. We talked to people. It's like, what race did you do in the season? I just was with some athletes last week. Can I sit somewhat racist this week? I'm just doing the sprint. That's just whenever I'm like, just just that's the precedent doing the sprint. You're still a legit track. Whether you're doing super sprint, or you're doing an ultra. It doesn't matter. You're still the same triathlete. It's free sport, swim, bike, run, do it. If you can piece

Adoh Doherty: 51:10

together three disciplines on one day. Come on. You're a triathlete. And that's impressive. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You're

Tom Regal: 51:16

still you're still only 5% of the population. No.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 51:21

Brunch afterwards.

Tom Regal: 51:25

I think that's really kind of family can get involved. It's a little more spectator friendly. Yeah, it's you know, you're off to brunch right afterwards.

Adoh Doherty: 51:32

I don't think my raisins look like that. I need to start doing some brunch. We got to

Kenny Bailey<br>: 51:40

make it go faster. With french toast? Yeah, you

Tom Regal: 51:44

just throw that at the end? Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah. 1420,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 51:48

on your own? Was that French toast? Where the

Adoh Doherty: 51:52

1420 off the bike is smoking? Oh,

Tom Regal: 51:54

my God. Yeah, that'd be fantastic. Yeah, I get the 2024 I'd be happy.

Adoh Doherty: 52:01

I'm telling you to strides. Once you incorporate those stripes into your aerobic days, or bingo. Yeah, and then reverse your age by about 30 or just a number. It's race experience. You have more race experience than I do. You guys do have more race. I have

Tom Regal: 52:13

a lot of race experience that for sure. Whether it's good or bad. We

Kenny Bailey<br>: 52:17

don't know. I failed more than you succeeded.

Adoh Doherty: 52:20

You never remember the races you lost once you win once you win the one.

Tom Regal: 52:24

Exactly. So but great. Thank you so much for coming on. And joining us. It's great to hear your story. We'll be rooting for you and following you along 100%. We want to thank Jason who's here, watching in the sidelines. Let's let's make sure we get to look at the logo. Yeah, we gotta get the T shirts, go on his website, check him out. Jason is some of the best. Jason's a

Adoh Doherty: 52:43

massive supporter of tomato and he's helping move and advance my career forward. So because of the sponsors that I have, I'm able to do what I do professionally full time. And so Jason will be joining me as we make our way towards the podium. So y'all check out Kovach, please, yes, best quality T shirts. Really good. If

Tom Regal: 53:01

you're if you're racing, any of the magic sports races in Middle Tennessee. Jason will be there at all the events. He's got some great materials and great inspirational T shirts and things. It's awesome stuff. So cool. We love that. And Jason, appreciate you on that. Thank you again for coming on. super appreciate you everybody. Thanks for your questions, comments, thumbs up five stars, all that good stuff, helps the algorithm algorithms gets the podcast out further and further to more and more people. We're a little International. We got some folks folks in Europe and it's great in Asia popping up once in a while. So we appreciate everybody for listening. Kenny it's awesome. As always, thank you so much. Al thank you so much for reaching out to you and for everyone. We'll we'll catch you on the next show.