Ep 011 Jaden Hamil & Kortney Dalrymple

Narrator: 0:10

Welcome to the athletes in motion podcast from race to recovery. With your hosts, Tom Regal and Kenny Bailey.

Tom Regal: 0:27

Hey, Kenny, how you doing today?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:29

I'm doing well. Tom, how are you?

Tom Regal: 0:30

I'm fantastic.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:32

I would like to introduce you to a couple of people here. One that we've already talked to Courtney Dalrymple. She's the director at Haydn beach volleyball. Welcome, Courtney.

Tom Regal: 0:41

Hey, Courtney.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:43

Courtney has brought a friend with her Jaden Hamel. Jaden is a performance dietitian at Florida State. Did I get that right?

Jaden Hamil: 0:51

Yes, sir.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:52

Great. Welcome to welcome to our little podcast. We appreciate you guys being on today.

Tom Regal: 0:57

Yeah, welcome Jaden.

Jaden Hamil: 0:59

Thank y'all for having me.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 1:02

Sure. Today, what we wanted to talk about was, we're gearing up towards fall sports, student athletes are starting to get back into sort of practices. as a as a nutritious and a performance dietitian, what we really want to talk about today was around sort of those needs that those student athletes have, and what what lessons we can impart or you can what we're just here to listen. But before we get into that, why don't you give us a little bit of background on sort of what made you decide to get into performance dietitian and how you know, Courtney? Is that or is that a good story? Is it like a Mexican, you know, bar and, you know, Margarita or exchange.....

Kortney Dalrymple: 1:44

We can't disclose that. (laughing)

Jaden Hamil: 1:46

It's not as fun as that, but it's still a good story.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 1:49

Okay, good.

Jaden Hamil: 1:50

I did take a little bit of a scenic route to get to where I am now. But I'll try to keep it as brief as possible. But I went to the University of Alabama, during my undergrad and I got exercise science and food nutrition degrees. From there. I proceeded to get my master's at Mississippi State University with the goal of being a performance researcher, not necessarily a dietitian. So I really wanted to work at the gatorades the powerades, the huge supplement companies, because athletes fascinated me, how can I just make these athletes better? How can make them perform? It's just everything they do just fascinates me. So when I went to Mississippi State, specifically because of the small world that it is, because there is a professor there that used to work at Gatorade, who I believe actually hired Courtney at Gatorade.

Kortney Dalrymple: 2:39

Yep, yep.

Jaden Hamil: 2:41

So while I was at Mississippi State in the lab, doing a lot of research, actually, I got the opportunity to go work for Courtney, just from a small little consultant role basically, and I would just kind of help her in trips that she needed a little extra hands on. And so she was going on a trip to the national team, or professional team, collegiate team, whatever it was, and she just needs some extra hands. I got hired just to come and help her on those trips. And it was fantastic. Courtney is great. She's a workhorse. And she was great to work with. However, during that time with Courtney, she actually kind of helped me get to where I am today, because I know I listened to Courtney's episode this past week, and she talks about how when she went to University of Georgia just didn't work out in the Phd. program. And the same thing happened to me, I actually started a Phd. program, trying to pursue my goals as becoming this extremely awesome exercise scientists in going to work for Gatorade or Powerade. And just my heart was just not in it. So when I say that, I just mean that I respected the research. I loved doing it. But the fact that we were just doing studies on athletes, and we would have them come in, and then they would leave, I never saw their progress was I never saw they actually took the research and worked with it. And the same thing with Gatorade. So I would go on these trips with Courtney and help her out a little bit. And I would see these athletes, and we would give them all this great feedback. So what their sweat rate is, what carbohydrates that should they be having, how much should they be having things like that, and then we would leave and I'll never see these athletes, again, less fighters kept up with them on ESPN or whatever it was in my heart just was not in that it was like I want to be with these athletes day by day. They make sure they get this information. So I actually quit the Ph. D program. And I started working at the University of Alabama, in their sports, or they're basically in their athletic program as a nutrition assistant, and then worked my way up and then went was going back to school to become a dietician. So got hired on there when I became on a dietitian or what as I was working to becoming a dietician, and then after that I got hired at Florida State. So Courtney actually helped me get to where I was today. And now she is been she is the director of Hayden beach like y'all said, and I've been the consultant dietitian for them as well.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 4:58

Very cool. What grade would you give Jaden when she was her performance review? If we want to do that right now, what does not meets or

Tom Regal: 5:10

exceeds expectations?

Kortney Dalrymple: 5:11

Yeah.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 5:11

So Courtney is kind of a badass, so she just gets people to get out of PhD program. That's the theme we have, you know, if

Tom Regal: 5:18

you have doubts, talk to Kortney she'll talk you out of it.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 5:21

Do you really want to do this? Do you really want to do this?

Tom Regal: 5:25

It's okay.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 5:27

So Jaden, let's, let's talk about student athletes. I mean, one of the things like I said, when we when we opened is, is we have, we see a lot of student athletes come into the recovery lounge, we unfortunately, we're trying to get them sooner because they're coming in sort of tired, after like a regional game and getting ready for nationals or whatever else. And what we're trying to do is get them into a regular program to kind of take care of themselves. From a nutritional standpoint, let's just start the basics. I think everyone just sort of applies a choice A adult or standard nutrition, to sort of student athletes, if you can help us kind of understand maybe, let's just start off that way. How is that? How should a student athlete treat differently from adult and or other just kind of standard students eating, you know, chicken fingers and fries?

Jaden Hamil: 6:12

Well, that's actually a huge lesson when we have these athletes come in, because we just have to. So all athletes that come into us whether it was when Alabama or here at Florida State, they all came to our programs, because they're fantastic athletes, but in high school, they ate like their cohort, they like high school kids ate with their parents supply them, they trained how their coaches their current coaches did back then. So they basically come to us with this. Yes, they were elevated, but they weren't putting in all the extra stuff. Does that make sense? So fairly, they're not sleeping, how they're supposed to be there to eat and how they're supposed to be, they're not training how they're supposed to be. So when they come in to the collegiate setting, that's when we make a lot of changes. So, okay. Yes, you performed really great eating that way at a high school level. But now everyone in college is good. Now, we have to make you better than what you already were. So we have to set that standard even higher, okay, now you're going to take care of yourself, we're going to eat right, you're going to sleep, you have a great training, you're going to have all these great coaches that help you. So let's make you elevate yourself as an athlete, that way you can continue to perform at your best level. So that's what we do when we come here. So sometimes you have to have a little few heart to hearts, but what maybe we have to make some changes about certain foods. And it can be difficult, because a lot of times it's comfort food. So if you've been growing up on the same thing that your mom made you every day, you're not going to want to change that. And we don't try to make huge, huge drastic changes. But we try to make small lifestyle changes that way, you still have some of your comfort foods, but we're also making sure we're creating those performance goals. So it can be very, very tricky, because athletes needs are just so much greater. So when it comes to calories, or calorie needs are exponentially higher, their carbohydrate needs are higher, their protein needs are higher. So whatever it is, we just have to find that balance and specifically what their sport and what their goals are. So if they're a basketball player versus a football player versus a cross country runner, finding out okay, where their needs are, and then finding how do we can meet those needs. Does that make sense?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 8:21

Yeah, it does, I think so let's dive into that specifically. So like one of the things that that is kind of interesting is I'm assuming some of these student athletes are like, Oh, you know, paleo, I got to do a lean protein kind of diet, you know, in carbohydrates are bad, because that's what, that's what everyone tells us, right? carbs are bad. Absolutely help us kind of understand how you kind of break that kind of cycle.

Jaden Hamil: 8:42

Well, that's one thing as long as social media is around, I'm gonna have a job. So that's, that's definitely one thing is that not only with parents and culture do athletes eat the way they do. It's also what's going on with social media. So like you said, carbs a bit kind of deemed as bad, paleo good or keto, good, and nothing is good or bad. It's just how we can configure it into their diet. So ways that they can perform. So you're right, I definitely have to battle with those all the time, especially low carb right now. But if you're an athlete, listening low carb is never the way to go. All athletes need carbohydrates and whether it to what extent you need them, that's definitely someone somewhere we can work with sports dietitian and make sure you hit your goals and what's needed for your particular sport. Because some sports may have higher carbohydrate needs than other sports, and may have different cycling or different timing of carbohydrates. So definitely important, but how do I battle those is relationships. So one thing I've learned as being a sports dietitian, is to never tell an athlete No. So if I have an athlete that comes in and goes, Hey, Jaden, I'm doing paleo or Hey, Jaden, I'm doing keto. Do you think I should be on it? I can't say no, but it's no but no, but here are the reasons why. Why do you want to be it? Okay. You want to be Because your parents are on or you want to be on it because an athlete you follow on social media is on it. Okay? Well, let's follow those reasons why and then go from there. Does that make sense? Because if I tell someone No, so if I'm like, okay, no, what's the first thing you want to do? Yeah,

Tom Regal: 10:15

you want to do that? You just do that. And then you don't listen.

Jaden Hamil: 10:19

Right? You're like, hey, Jane, can I do keto said? No, you're like, well, I'm gonna do keto, because I told you no. So it's no, but here are the reasons why. But the first thing I have to do is develop the relationship with the athlete. Because even if I say yes or no, if they don't trust me, they're not gonna listen. So developing that relationship with the athletes finding out why they want to do that particular diet. So if it's keto, okay, why do you want to do it? Is it because you're a long distance runner, and you feel that you can run on fat better than carbohydrates? Okay, the research research doesn't show that. So finding out ways of making sure that I can go with the athlete without being too blunt, and making sure that we find the reasons why they want to do it and direct them in a way that can go to their performance and meet them where they are.

Tom Regal: 11:03

So I'm sorry, for going back on that when we talked about social media and all the pressures and the stress that the kids are under these days. Are you seeing a larger amount of eating disorders within that, because like, trying to trying to fuel an athlete, and then also having those extra pressures they're eating more or not eating anywhere what they should be eating? Is that is that getting worse? Or is that just a thing that normally happens?

Jaden Hamil: 11:33

absolutely. So with body image and things like that, it definitely has made it worse. So like, I have male and female athletes, a lot of times people just think it's female athletes that have these issues. But I have male and female athletes, I pull up their Instagram, they pull up, whatever the NBA, NFL, whoever it is a beach volleyball player, they'll pull it up and look be like, why don't I look like this person? And it's like, okay, not necessarily. Instagram, social media, all that stuff is a highlight reel, okay? And each person is completely different. So all of us are different, your teammates are different, even beach volleyball, like, you can have two girls on playing. And each girl may look drastically different. But they're both elite players. It's just how they are. They're built differently. But we have those battles almost daily as a sports dietitian. Because sometimes we just get caught up in that like, Oh, I have to look like her because she plays so good. Oh, I have to look like him. Because he's super muscular and strong. Okay, people, people are just built different. Like, if you look at the NBA, you have the Kevin Durant's. We have the LeBron James is so people are built different, but they're still heavy elite players. And it's finding and meeting with the players and figuring out Okay, why do you want to look like that? And okay, is that going to help your performance? Because what you look like does not dictate your performance. Like, I don't know if y'all saw a lot of social media a few years ago about Tom Brady having like a dad bod and stuff, and it's like, okay, but have you seen all the Super Bowl rings? The rings? Yeah, it doesn't matter. So it's just the social media has definitely affected my job in the players when it comes to physical attributes of the players. But it's constantly reminding the players that everyone is built different. And everyone's built different for their sport as well. So it's just making sure that we meet the players where they're at, and finding out why their goals are the way they are. Because if it's just for aesthetics, that's not why we play sports, we don't play beach volleyball, for aesthetics, we don't play basketball, football, whatever it is for aesthetics, we play it because we love our sport, and we're good at it. So just making sure that we reiterate to those athletes, but yes, it has been very difficult with social media. But like I said, it'll keep me employed. So

Tom Regal: 13:46

yeah, definitely, I see it in adults, and adult athletes. Quite a bit. I can't imagine that the kids are probably much, much worse on that. And I'm assuming and a lot of cases, there's some underlying things that drive it to that some, I'd say home issues or friend issues or some other stuff that's behind the scenes, that you probably even as a dietitian, you turn into more of a sports psychologist, and that same senses, you're trying to figure out what what's triggering these behaviors, and then getting the best performance out of them. I know, I know, we had that conversation with Courtney as well. It's just it's, yeah, it's got to be it's got to be a kind of a fun challenge in a way because you can make a difference.

Jaden Hamil: 14:25

Yes, and especially and I don't know if y'all had to deal with this as well, but in NIL has just started and so that will also come into play. And for those of you who don't know what it is it's name image and likeness. So now collegiate athletes can make money based off certain deals, certain trade, whatever it is, and so social media is a big part of those as well. So having a big social media presence can definitely help that in NIL standpoint, but in that can also affect you know, body image and ways we act on social media and where our hearts are as an athlete. So just making sure We're still here for the main reasons because you want to play your sport, your love your sport, and you want to excel at it. So definitely, you may see more of that too, with the NIL movement that's happening right now.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 15:12

And Courtney is so good,

Kortney Dalrymple: 15:14

I was gonna have a question for Jaden, too. So Jaden, you, you know, you work with your, your certain sports that in the collegiate level, and you see them every day, or at least every week, when they're, you know, in school. And that's great to get that buy in, you have the opportunity to get that buy in. Now, how do you think we could help bridge the gap from that High School to Collegiate setting where you know, in high school, we only see certain players during the in season or when they're around the coaches, you might not see them every day? How do we help? How do you think we could help them bridge the gap and nutrition hydration recovery, so that gap is not so big once they kind of go from high school to the collegiate level, where now they're gonna see you every day? They're everything might changing with maybe changing their whole nutrition, hydration sleep regimen? So do you have any recommendations on that?

Jaden Hamil: 16:12

I think for the athletes that are doing that, and they want to play in collegiate potentially pro or just even collegiate, I think joining clubs, like Hyden Beach or having some kind of support system around them would definitely be very beneficial for the athletes. Because you can tell when the athletes come in, who's kind of had a little extra attention when it comes out area, you can tell in the weight room, you can tell in the classroom, and you can tell nutrition wise. So you can see the people who have definitely keyed in on their nutrition, you can tell the people who are taking care of their sleep, and they're getting treatment going to places like the recovery lounge before they even come to, you know, college, whatever it is. So having those really good support systems, like Hyden Beach or go into schools like IMG, which I know I personally cannot afford, but just making sure that you go to a club near you, that takes care of you. And making sure that okay, like they're prescribing, you know, lifts for me to do on my own, are they safe, okay, they're telling me that I need to meet with a dietician. As opposed to telling me I need to lose 10 pounds in two weeks. So just making sure that you're have a good support system. And if you don't have a good support system, reach out to you know, your local clubs, reach out to a dietitian in your area, reach out somewhere, and sometimes it can be expensive. But if you join a good club, like Like I said, Hyden Beach, I'm probably putting like three plugs right now for that. But that has an overall support system, that would be great. Because those are just going to help you transition to college easier. Do you have to be in those clubs? Absolutely not. You can transition, you know, maybe a little bit harder, but you still can transition but just making sure that maybe if we can't afford to join those clubs, or we can't afford dietician, look up some good stuff on social media, follow some good strength coaches that are you know, volleyball specific or triathlon specific, or whatever's on social media, reach out to them, shoot them a DM go from there, people recommend that good people to talk to you in your area, people definitely want to see other people succeed. So just finding people in that area that can help you. So like, if you are right now, if you're listening, and you're aspiring High School athlete, and you don't know how to get your nutrition, right, feel free to send me an email. And we can go through and try to find someone or even myself that can help you. So just making sure to find professionals in your area that don't backtrack you because that's the last thing you want is to go to someone who is just not a professional and is just giving you bad advice. And you either hurt yourself in the weight room, you hurt yourself during training, whatever it is just making sure you find a good atmosphere and environment around you. Does that make sense?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 18:50

Yep.

Jaden Hamil: 18:51

Okay,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 18:52

so let's, um, let's I like using a specific example. Because that way it's a little bit easier to glom onto. So let's talk about sort of a volleyball player. So we've got a girl volleyball player, so maybe Courtney, we can start with you and then move to Jaden as far as that goes. So Courtney, when when when that freshmen comes in to your stuff into your into Hyden Beach, and you see what's going on, how do you start that conversation? So like? You know, I know a lot about kind of endurance sports, I can probably talk a little about it kind of nutrition and what we do on different sports and I'm probably about 80% there and then the other 20% I'm probably completely wrong so but when it comes to a volleyball player, they walk in they're pretty good. They got natural talent, right? You got this person with natural talent. What specific sort of nutrition and hydration things do you start trying to get them to change to at the high school level? And then once they they're handed off to Jaden, where do we go from there? So let's let's talk volleyball specifically, let's talk about sort of what they need to do from their diet. And what you see typically when they come in

Kortney Dalrymple: 20:00

Yeah, so I'm still learning the high school level, this is actually only my first full year working with high school athletes because I transition mainly from pros and collegiate now down to the high school athletes, so I'm kind of still learning them a little bit, the biggest thing is building a relationship with them and having them trust you first. So I wouldn't really talk much about anything in terms of nutrition, hydration, anything until we have a little bit of a relationship going on, they feel open just to talk to me about every day, you know, their everyday life school, how practices going everything like that, before I kind of start making suggestions there. And then, you know, I kind of I, how I do it is I open up the opportunity for them. So meaning, I give them the resource like, Hey, this is my background, I'm going to open up opportunities for you guys, whether it's educational, you know, we had some educational info sessions earlier this year, or I just opened up different topics that I talked about, and I just made it free for the girls to come in, listen, over zoom or to come in and be live with us. And just to get a little bit better understanding about nutrition, hydration recovery, and then I provide them my background, and I want them to take that that first step because I don't want to just come at them and say, you know, hey, you need to change this, or you need to do this to be a better player, I want to open that door. But I want them to take that first step. So they feel comfortable enough to do that. Once they kind of know my background a little bit, then, you know, if they come to me and they say hey, what would you suggest about you know, my nutrition or my hydration? Then I'll probably start making some suggestions and ask mainly ask them questions first, like, what are you currently doing? You know, what, do you have any issues? So are you do you struggle with fatigue? Are you sleeping? Well? Do you? Um, do you feel like you have enough energy during practice? Or during a tournament? Where Where do you Where are your issues? Where do your issues lie? So I I kind of asked more questions and in open ended questions and have them kind of talk through it. And then we go from there. So um, once I kind of build that relationship, and we go from there, in terms of a sand volleyball player, the biggest issues we see are during tournaments. In terms of hydration and energy, at least, that's what I see. So you we've been having tournament's at Hyde and beach this year, since I think, March. And ever since May 1, onwards, we have won almost every weekend, there hasn't been somebody who didn't cramp. In that tournament, whether it was one person, we had almost five during that, during a tournament that either cramped had heat exhaustion, how to stop because they're about to go into heat exhaustion, threw up, I mean, all those, all those scenarios happened. And it happened during these tournament's over the weekends. And it has a lot to do with eating or not eating a lot of these players like ones who asked the questions like, Oh, you didn't eat today before this tournament, okay, that's something that we need to work on. Or they're only consuming water and not electrolytes in in any any fluids or not eating anything during the tournament. So usually it's energy related, fatigue related or hydration related that I see in sand volleyball players. And it's, it's tough, because a lot of the players you know, we they're starting to realize that their hydration, nutrition has a lot to do with issues that they have in the tournament's and, you know, if someone's not there, talking to them about it, how are they going to know they kind of think, Oh, I'm just too hot, or it's hot, humid out. And they think it's an external factor rather than an internal factor.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 23:56

So Jaden, when they come to you, then what is you know, you get that as volleyball player? What are the top two kind of two to three things? Is it? Is it still hydration and nutrition? Is that just diets completely upside down? Because there you can live forever, and they burn everything? What do you see is sort of the big factors.

Jaden Hamil: 24:15

For volleyball specifically, it can change so Courtney hit the nail on the head. So the first thing I have to do is establish or establish a relationship with all the athletes. So when they come in just making sure that they're comfortable with me, because for some reason, when people see dietitian, they just assume that we're the food police and that's, that's just not it. So, um, so first, I just have to establish relationship with them, make sure they're comfortable with me, they can talk to me about their issues, things like that. When it comes to your very high level athletes, when it comes to them, usually a lot of them already kind of had their things in order they have maybe have their hydration order, or they have their eating schedule, right. They had the contents of what they're eating right. So with me being there and establishing that relationship I try to find where those gaps are and where I can best benefit that individual athlete. So when it comes to volleyball players, Courtney is right, making sure they're hydrated. I don't know if y'all been to like a weekend of matches, it is insane. They are hot, they're on the sand. They play two or three matches a day, two days back to back even more, I'm not sure. But I know our home tournaments here. That's what I've seen. And it's just a hot day. So just making sure that they hydrate a hydration should be a state. So one thing about that I feel a lot of athletes have issues with that come in from high school into collegiate is that they think that hydration is just like a weekend thing. Like, oh, I have matches this weekend. I'm gonna hydrate on Friday, and I'll be good. No hydration, when you get to college. Well, before you get to college, it should happen to is a state. We're a collegiate athlete, we should always be hydrating, we should always, always, always try to be hydrated. So making sure we instill that into them. Also, like Courtney said, making sure they're eating. Those are long games. They are long weekends, and it's hard to eat. So if you have a match first thing in the morning, you may have one in the afternoon, maybe one later, when do I eat? Where do I eat it. It's also hot outside. So I've made just had my journal up and it's too hot, I don't feel that hunger feeling. So it's finding there where I can fill those gaps in. So finding foods that can make sure their appetites are good, make sure they have carbohydrates in them to fuel them. So I know that's like kind of a lot of different answers and one, but it's finding where those individual athletes are finding where those gaps are. So like Courtney said, is that the athlete that's not eating breakfast, okay, I need to make sure she eats breakfast beforehand, okay, is the athlete that cramps up every single time, okay, I need to make sure I have heavy electrolyte products for her. So making sure that she has the hydration and those products to get her through a whole weekend. So it's just finding where those individual needs are and meeting them. But essentially, Courtney, I think we have the same issues here in collegiate hydration, timing of fueling, and just making sure we can get through a weekend. So just making sure we can hit all those goals is pretty much the same issues that I've had with previous volleyball players.

Kortney Dalrymple: 27:07

So if you think about it, I mean, these girls, you know, whether they're playing or not, they're still standing outside in the sun or, you know, under a canopy. It could be you know, some of our tournament's are 7, 8, 9 hours long they could play, you know, I just played a tournament last weekend, I played nine sets in, you know, eight hours. And even though you're not, you might not be playing or warming up, you're still outside in 90 degree heat 75% humidity, for that time, you're still sweating. So you have to make sure that hydration not only during the event, but that you're coming into that, you know, just like just like Jaden said, your hydration is a state like not just starting, you know, okay, I want to start Saturday morning. And, you know, make sure I'm drinking during the tournament, no, like, you want to make sure that you're prepping the whole week and making sure that you're focusing on your hydration during the entire week as well. at Hyden Beach, we started doing daily bodyweight daily morning body brakes, pre and post practice. So taking a body weight before practice and after practice, just to get a better understanding of how these guys are how these ladies are hydrating during their session, just to give them a little bit of education. And then we also started doing some sweat testing as well, just to better understand, you know, how much they lose from a hydration standpoint, from an electrolyte standpoint, and what they're also consuming during that so they can learn a little bit about themselves, because everybody is so different. Um, to give you an example, we had, I did a little bit of testing in these past couple weeks. And we had players that you know, consumed absolutely no carbohydrate, no sodium, and just a little bit of fluid during that session. And they had one point they their sweat rate was 1.4 liters per hour. So a liter is roughly you know, your typical Gatorade bottle. And they were only consuming just a quarter of that during the entire practice when their sweat rate was 1.4. So one, and like a third of these over an hour, they're practicing for over two hours. So it's just understanding a little bit more about themselves in hopes that we can make those small changes to better fuel, better hydrate these guys.

Tom Regal: 29:34

I think people don't realize that once they are dehydrated, that it's not just oh slam a sports drink and you're good to go that it takes a long time sometimes for you to get your your hydration back to the proper level. I've heard I've heard as long as 72 hours. I don't know if that's a good number to throw out there. But yeah, it takes it could take a day or two to certainly get that level back up to where it needs to be. So

Kortney Dalrymple: 30:01

it all depends on the person. And plus, when you're already behind on the game, and then you're trying to catch up that can then if you try to try to catch up too much, you don't really know your body well enough, that could cause a lot of gi distress. And we all know that we're not playing, we're not looking well under gi distress. So now you're already trying, you're already, you know, not feeling well and playing a match or a tournament. And now you're like, Okay, well, what do I do, they kind of feel stuck a little bit. So it's just about a lot about preparation and knowing your body a little bit more to kind of better prepare yourself to give your best during that training session or competition.

Tom Regal: 30:41

So Jason, we're good. Just jump in and just on the nutrition side. So what type of nutrition Do you take in, in a beach volleyball environment? So I know in the endurance side of things, that we've taken a lot more liquid stuff, because we're jostling around on the run. There's gels, there's quick energies that way. There's certain things for longer distances that you do, but what types would you take in the middle of a tournament? You're gonna play all day? On and off? Is it solid foods? Or is it you go to more liquid more gels the same? The same way? Or? I'm

Kortney Dalrymple: 31:15

sorry, I'm gonna let Jaden answer this one, and then I'll yeah, my two cents after Jaden.

Jaden Hamil: 31:20

It depends on the timing of the matches. And so what we try to do is prep beforehand. So just like hydration is a state. So like we previously mentioned, so making sure throughout the week, we're staying hydrated, we're eating right. So let's say our matches are Saturday and Sunday of the week, making sure that we have a good meal on Friday night. So making sure we have plenty of carbohydrates, lean proteins color, which is what we call fruits and vegetables. So have a good meal Friday night. And so let's say they play Saturday morning, so depending on what time they play in the morning, depends on what their meal should be. So if it's, they have three to four hours before they play, I would like for them to have like a good breakfast or whatever it is. So when I say good breakfast, just have like a traditional, you know, carbohydrates, protein, color, anything on there. However, if they play at 8am, they're probably not gonna wake up before you eat breakfast, I'm gonna guarantee that. So it just depends on how close we wake up prior to match and how soon warm up is. So and I don't know, how do you feel about this, but traditionally, when it gets to about an hour or less prior to playing, that's when I go more of the liquid route. So let's say an athlete that comes in, they're like, oh, Jaden, I jus woke up, I play in an hour, l ke, okay, like, let's do the p wer at Gatorade, whatever it is So usually liquids a little bit easier to digest. And hen sometimes for a little bit ore substance, we can do stuff ike applesauce. So like g go squeezes and stuff like that are easy. Yeah, dried fruit, fr it, in general, sort of stuff s a little bit easier to di est about an hour prior to play So it really just depends. And hen after they play, of cours, I want to get a little bi of protein and to make sure w're recovering. But it depend on when the next match is So depending on the gap bet een depends on what our meals re. But traditionally, if you ha e a little bit of longer time, y u'd want to make sure you get our carbohydrates in your pro ein in. But if you don't, we go to go for a little bit less of the actual substance, that way we don't have that gi distress hat we talked about earlier. So all depends on timing in the matches, which I kno is probably a terrible answe to give y'all it's on a ery specific one, but it ust depe

Kortney Dalrymple: 33:31

And, and just to add, I think it has a lot to do with personal preference as well, I want to make sure that they're consuming something that they feel comfortable with and that they enjoy. So you know, for example, we can have athletes that just are really heavy sweaters and they lose a ton of sodium in their sweat. So for those folks, I don't want to have just only sports drinks, because that might cause a lot of gi distress, if I'm trying to meet their hydration electrolyte needs with with a, you know, a 6% carbohydrate solution that might give them gi distress because they're consuming just so much of that type of fluid. So some athletes, they like to separate out their fluid and electrolytes and their carbohydrate sources. So you know, for example, that could be they have they consume a just an electrolyte water base, so that could be you know, element tea, it's like a electrolyte powder that has no carbohydrate in it. That could be something like liquid IV or drip drop as their hydration needs, but then they chew on like gummies or have little pieces of granola bar and they use that as their carbohydrate source. So it's also kind of taken in personal preference as well. For us, you know, it's it, we hold tournament's and run events, it's a little bit different than the collegiate setting that Jaden works in. So for us, they play you know sets and matches all throughout the day with not too much rest in between probably Max is about 30 minutes. So a lot of our athletes end up just kind of picking throughout the day, whether that's you know, you know, a quarter of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or a half a bar or some choose that they like to consume, they don't really have any full meal like a, you know, a whole sandwich at one time or a salad at one time, just because for us our systems a little bit different, where they don't have more than usually 30 to 45 minutes in between sets until they're done with their day.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 35:35

So Jaden, let's switch a little bit over to, to the kind of the football setting because we're fortunate enough Tom and I were able to interview former defensive lineman for the Patriots. Keionta Davis. And Keionta started college at two, what, 235 maybe, ended College at 275, you know, 285 of just you know, rips snorting, you know, lean power right. So when, again, kind of doing this kind of similar thing, when when you get a high school athlete that gets a lot of social pressure about you know, I need pre workout supplements, I need to pack on weight, I need to pack on power. They're probably, you know, trying to bench more than within they should. They're trying to get that power in, right. And we have high school kids that come in and you know, brag about what their squats are. And they're they're tremendous, right for high school kids. Yeah. And I'm thinking the poor joints. And then you know, you get people like Keionta that come in, and you know, they're packing on 40 pounds throughout that, how do you help control that sort of I got to get bigger because the sport requires you to get bigger, to a certain extent, right? Or does it? Like we said, everyone's a little bit different. I mean, Tom Brady's a little bit different than, than Mahomes. But the general rule is like, if you're playing defense you need you need to be able to push people around. And that requires weight. How do you when football comes in? How do you control that sort of in a way that doesn't injure them or gets them in a healthier way to get that weight?

Jaden Hamil: 37:05

So it's pretty similar with all sports. Um, so they definitely definitely have that attitude when they come in, like, Hey, I'm playing D line this year, I have got to gain 40 pounds, we've got to do this. And people do come in with that attitude. Like I specifically work with basketball. And so with our sport, we are very tough division, ACC division. And so our guys, they want to come in and gain weight because it gets tough down there. The post, yeah, they got to make sure they can throw those bows out. And they want to gain 2040 pounds to make sure they can tolerate that and play

Kenny Bailey<br>: 37:37

That's elbows for anybody that doesn't know what the bows are....

Jaden Hamil: 37:40

Yeah. So just making sure that we can make sure put that mass on in a healthy way. Because if we put on mass too quickly, it can hurt the joints, like you said, you said those knees out. So it could hurt that. However, it's really coming in and making sure that we have a good system together. So making sure the strength coach myself, the coaches and athletic trainers are all on the same page. So usually what happens when an athlete comes in, they're like, Hey, you know, I want to gain 20, 30 pounds. Okay, let's talk to your position coach. Okay, is that about the range for his position? Cool, okay, weight in the weight room? Are we making sure that he's on that system to gain weight? Okay, cool. I'm gonna work with the strength coach on timing, and making sure that like, okay, his lip lift is at that time. So I want to make sure that he has stuff beforehand stuff afterwards. And then I'm going to work with his eating schedule. So making sure that a like, being a collegiate athlete, we burn a lot of calories. So gaining weight can be tough. So on top of weights and practice, I get to make sure they have enough calories to sustain that without getting injured, because under fueling can lead to injuries. So making sure there's enough calories to will sustain their current load on top of that weight gain. So making sure like so for example, like right now I'm working with a few athletes to gain weight. So this morning, I came in, they had a lift, made sure that they had shakes that had ungodly amount of calories on them a lot of protein and make sure and go from there. Also, I handle all the supplement basis. So like you said, they may be asked to take a pre workout, maybe and to get their own supplement powder, whatever it is. So I have to make sure that our athletes are taking products that are you know, not going to make them pop up positive on an NCAA drug test, or athlete to participate and other stuff like swim and things like that. They also have WADA drug test. So just making sure that they fall within those categories. So making sure they're taking safe products that's actually going to help them because a lot of times we have athletes that take product that really they're just peeing out and wasting their money on. So making sure they're taking product that's beneficial and making sure their diets right, because a supplement is what it says it's a supplement to your diet. So making sure that diet is right first and making sure we're getting all those calories in and then we'll go to the supplements after that. But it is hard, hard, hard, but it's definitely like, like you said that football player spoke with gain, what? 30, 40 pounds? So it's definitely doable. But just making sure that your support system is all on the same page and making sure we take care of you. And making sure that athlete is playing at a weight that's good for them. Because sometimes some players can gain that weight. But it's not a good playing weight for them. They just don't, they don't feel fast enough, they don't feel quick enough. So okay, let's back off a little bit. So let's make some changes and go from there. So just making sure we find that comfort weight for them, and then getting there and maintaining it. But it can be difficult. Because sometimes when we think of gaining weight, we think of all the bad stuff, we're like, okay, I just need some ice cream, I need this many calories. So it's finding that balance to make sure we're also giving them the right setup to gain that muscle mass. So making sure they're eating more of the leaner proteins, making sure we're getting a high quality source of protein, making sure we get the carbohydrates in to help with that protein. So it's a lot of little things into one that we make for individualized athletes. So yeah, I know that was a lot.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 41:08

No, no, that's, that's great. And I'm finding that anytime Courtney comes on the bingo is if somebody says something about Pee. So.....

Tom Regal: 41:16

yeah, that's another quote, it's

Kenny Bailey<br>: 41:18

not a complete podcast. And when we talk about p,

Jaden Hamil: 41:21

I feel like with our jobs, it's just like just a standard conversation.

Tom Regal: 41:25

It's standard. As an endurance athlete that's almost what we talk about all the time,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 41:29

What's your Pee color this week?

Tom Regal: 41:31

question on those supplements? How do you suss out? What are the good clean set supplements? And what advice could you give to people who are considering supplements or what they should look at? In that sense with the fact that a that might be useless for them? But aside from that, what might trigger positive test?

Jaden Hamil: 41:50

Okay, so that is a fantastic question. And we get it a lot. So the first thing you want to do is just make sure your supplement is third party tested. So essentially, what that means is just making sure that someone is testing that product, to see what on the back of the label actually matches what's in the product. supplements are not FDA approved. So sometimes the stuff that is on the back of that label doesn't necessarily match what's in that actual bottle. And sometimes people are like, Wait, what? And yes, that is a thing. So there's companies out there, that third party test these products to make sure that label does match what's in the bottle. So companies that we use are ones that I keep on hand and make sure our NSF for sport, and they have an app. So like if you're ever interested, or if you're a high school athlete out there, and you're like, Hey, is the product I'm taking, okay, you can download that app, scan it and see if your product is okay to take also informed choices. Another one I use as well. informed choice for those of better, you know, ultra distance runners and stuff like that they do a lot more European brands. So I know a lot of times runners and swimmers like to use more European stuff. So they have a lot of that atmosphere in those products as well. So those are both great companies that I use for our athletes here. And then like you said, is that product beneficial? Am I taking what I'm supposed to be taking? That is definitely hard, just but making sure we take the right products, like, for example, bcaas were kind of a huge thing coming in about a year or so ago, they still are big, we have athletes that asked about it. But taking bcaas during a lift has been shown not to be as helpful. So making sure that like whoa, okay, are you taking bcaas? Why are we taking the middle of the lift? I'm not really going to help us too much. So no. So finding out other products like pre workout, pre workout is a great one. I know y'all mentioned earlier that comes up a lot. So a lot of pre workouts are not safe to take for a collegiate athlete. And when I say safe, I mean a from a drug testing standpoint and be like your actual health. So just make sure you are okay. You can test positive for performance enhancement if you have over 500 milligrams of caffeine in your system at a time. So some of those pre workouts can get up to thoses ranges. And make sure that okay, like what's the caffeine content and then what else is in the pre workout. So what else is in there that may be in your system, so making sure it's third party tested and safe for you to take. So those are just kind of the huge things and then of course, there are several 1000s of products out there and just making sure that our athletes are taking lower risk products that aren't going to hurt them.

Tom Regal: 44:32

So don't just buy the cheapest thing on Amazon.

Jaden Hamil: 44:35

No,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 44:36

exactly.

Tom Regal: 44:39

without doing the research.....

Kenny Bailey<br>: 44:41

it also like some of these are endorsed by you know what you what you you know, they're they're you know, they have influencers that are pushing the product that are used to be professional athletes or people that are in high profile positions that will if they must have looked at it, it must be okay right because scores. You see that happening?

Jaden Hamil: 45:02

all of the time!

Tom Regal: 45:05

Probably not even taking them. They're just Yeah, they're just cash peddling them. Yeah.

Kortney Dalrymple: 45:11

That's what they do what? They get paid really well for that. Yes,

Jaden Hamil: 45:17

yes. And so that's why that happens a lot. And also, people have to remember that different organizations have different rules. So the NFL is going to have different rules and NCAA MBAs have different rules than NCAA. So it's just finding where it is finding out the product cuz sometimes it's just hogwash. It's just not even worth it is just a marketing scheme. And sometimes it is helpful. So like, for example, we had a company that sent us some samples, and we just had in our office just to try it or whatever. And I had a basketball player that walked around the corner and goes, That's Yannis's brand, and I was like, Yeah, it is a good product. So what it worked that worked out in my favor, but it was like, Wait, do you even know what it is? Like? Do you even know what's in that bottle? But yeah, the marketing gets to, like, no one's business. So but yeah, definitely, it helps and hurts me sometimes just trying to figure out okay, who is marketing it? Why they want to take it like, for example, we had like TB12, and stuff like that, that went around for a while finding out okay, what products? Why are we taking it is actually beneficial in other products like that, that definitely have that huge presence behind them for the marketing standpoint for our athletes.

Tom Regal: 46:29

Yeah, and I think they don't understand too that it even though it's, it could be an herbal supplement or something like that, you can actually do damage to yourself, if you can od on some of this stuff. If it doesn't always work with other things, or you can take too much of it. And I don't think people realize that. It's it can be dangerous if you're just messing around with it.

Kortney Dalrymple: 46:50

And I think he like, personally, I just think a lot of people are just trying to find a quick fix, like, Oh, yeah. Earlier, work on your diet first, like once, once that is 100%, then talk to your dietitian about potentially adding in some supplements. But if you're not focusing on that diet first and you're not, you know, you're not consuming enough calories or eating breakfast or having a protein or diet then why are we even having this conversation about supplements? So

Tom Regal: 47:16

that's the reason why, right? I'm supposed to eat all this crappy food, and then just pop a couple of these things. And everything's good.

Jaden Hamil: 47:25

Y'all are so right. I have athletes that come in, they're like, Oh, well, I'll just take this supplement like, Oh, well, Did you have breakfast? No, like, no. sleep last night? No, like, okay, that's supplements, just literally a band aid, but you really need stitches, like, come on. Let's get it. Let's get it together. So Ya'll are 110%. Right. And it happens every day. But like I said, keeps me employed. So

Kenny Bailey<br>: 47:47

there you go. So I think you mentioned earlier in the podcast that, you know, with the changes in the collegiate rules now on on who can promote and get paid for that. I just saw an article this morning. I think it was a gymnast. That is I think from Ohio State and correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but I think she's on tap to like a three to$4 million signing because she's got a million followers on her Instagram. And oh, by the way, those followers aren't It's not her, you know, doing gymnast, it's her in a bikini right? Because that's what Yeah, people right.

Jaden Hamil: 48:20

So there's that similar situation at LSU?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 48:23

Yeah, maybe that's it, right? It's uh, it's, but it's a body image issue, right, she's gonna get paid a lot of money. Because that's the image that they want to portray. At the same time, she still has to perform, and but now they want to get paid. I know this is a hugely complex topic, probably save it for another hour. But just if you could help us a little bit on how are you seeing that change immediately, like, now I gotta go. I may be one of those people that's going to be promoting that supplement brand. And it may not be the greatest, but the checks pretty darn big. Are you How is collegiate sports trying to both? You know, be respectful of that, that new rule, but try to live within that? Maybe that's the question I'm looking to. Does that make sense? Hopefully, yes.

Jaden Hamil: 49:11

And honestly, I can just speak from my perspective, there are so many moving parts with it. Like I think we're all still trying to figure it out and how we can go about it. I know from my team, like my sports nutrition staff, like we spoke about it together. And we just made sure that like, we have a social media just from my, our department, like for Nole fuel is what we call it for athletes to follow for nutrition information. So we just posted something about Hey, like, if you have a supplement company that is interested in signing you like, you know, please just run by us first. Or if you cannot run it by us because of legalities, just making sure that is a third party tested company and please do your research. Because the one thing you have to do is when these athletes are representing someone just making sure that they stick by their core values like is this a good product? Is it Gonna be beneficial to me and then making sure that it's okay because the last thing we want our athletes to do is represent a supplement company that necessarily doesn't have high standard products in it. So I know there's a lot of legalities of how much we can talk to athletes about it, because essentially, it's them as their own business. But just making sure that you know, they use a third party tested company, and go from there, like we've already had some athletes be signed by restaurants, and we're thrilled for them. So that's fun and exciting, but they can eat good food. But just from a supplement standpoint, making sure that they're good to go. Because that's something that we are definitely concerned about as a staff, we just want to make sure that our athletes do what's best for them.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 50:41

Yeah. So you put those guidelines in place and say, you know, we these are recommended guidelines and right, is there going to be pressure free from from your staff on the sidelines to make sure you have 25 different supplements now? I mean, is it does a branding go that far, where it's like, you know, hey, I have to take this during the game now as well. I mean, is that going to be does that exponentially cause an issue for you when it comes to those athletes that have maybe eight different athletes with eight different sponsors? Or is there controls in place for that?

Jaden Hamil: 51:12

Yes, in I'm it's still a learning process for us. But as far as I had, as far as I understand is that they can't do it with our big, they can't do anything that interferes with our big sponsorships, if that makes sense. We are at Powerade and Muscle Milk school. Sorry, Courtney. And the they hurt you a little bit, but we are Powerade here. And but Muscle Milk, you know, an Gatorade, They go together anyways. But we are that so we we wouldn't necessarily have like Gatorade for an athlete on the sideline where we are a Powerade school, if that makes sense.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 51:51

Yes.

Jaden Hamil: 51:51

So there shouldn't be any conflict there. However, I feel like this changes every day. So by the time you post this podcast, it could be a different rule by then. But that's to our understanding is that there shouldn't be any direct conflict when it comes to like the sideline and pregame meal at any of those kind of team atmosphere. It's more so what they can do when they're not wearing a jersey or whatever Jersey, where they're at.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 52:16

It's similar for the pros. And I mean, if you're taking the cues from the pros, right, I mean, you can have a shoe contract, but you're you know, if Adidas supports your pro team, you're going to be wearing Adidas on the field. You're not going to be you know,

Jaden Hamil: 52:27

yes, yes. Okay, as far as I know, yes.

Tom Regal: 52:30

Okay. Question on on the on the influencer side of things. And this is just like, I don't know, if if an influencer is peddling a certain thing, why to shoe supplement or whatever. But they don't actually take it. They're just shelling for the same right? Does anyone really care? do their followers actually think that they're using those because they want to whatever, that they're not getting paid? And that's just like, Where's the ethical guideline on this? And I'm just curious, like, if you found out that somebody that you like, that's using a certain product and go, Wow, that's really great. I want to support them, I'll take the product. And it turns out, they never even use it. Does anyone care? I'm just curious on that,

Jaden Hamil: 53:11

I would hope that our athletes still or any athlete, honestly, in the NCAA, that they wouldn't sign with a suspect supplement company, essentially, because they are role models who are upcoming athletes in high school Middle School whenever I would hate for, you know, in high school athletes out there to see a star quarterback at whatever school and be like, Oh, well, he took that to be the star quarterback like, I want to take that or whatever other sports or that that gymnastics girl. She is amazing. Like, I want to take that to be just like her. And I would just hate for one of our athletes to do that. And then, you know, future athletes, she's not being a good situation.

Tom Regal: 53:50

Yeah, so giving them some kind of ethical guidelines. I mean, I wouldn't, I would never recommend a product or something that I didn't use myself, my athletes by so I'm a Picky Bars ambassador. It's only because I eat Picky Bars. I love them. I think they're great, right? It's great fuel use them a certain time. So I will advocate for them. But I wouldn't advocate for something that I didn't actually use. So I'm just curious on that, how people would react.

Kortney Dalrymple: 54:18

I think also at the same time, it's it can be twofold as well, because I think, you know, placebo effect is real. Right? So some of these athletes might actually believe that it is working like remember that whole push with alkaline water. I mean, yeah, really. I mean, truly

Tom Regal: 54:40

sponsored by should get rid of my alkaline water.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 54:42

Yeah, I was gonna say awkward.

Tom Regal: 54:48

Oh,

Kortney Dalrymple: 54:49

because they actually feel it's doing something for them. So I mean, if at one point they could, like the placebo effect is real for them, and they actually might believe what that product is doing. Something for their body what it actually isn't. Secondly, you would hope that, you know, the ethical tie to that, just like you said, Tom was, you know, like, you're not going to promote a product that you're don't believe in, we feel the same way at Hyden Beach, Jaden feels the same way at FSU. But not everybody is like us. Right? Money Talks, right? So if there's a product and they're willing to put, you know,$100,000 towards an athlete, how can you say no, you know, some athletes might not have the, you know, financial ability to say no to something like that, though. They might just, you know, say yes. And then, you know, they might not pick the take the product, but it is attached to them. So, it's definitely it can muddy the waters a little bit and does make our all of our positions a little bit tough.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 55:51

Yeah, I think the hard part though, Jaden is is also when we talked originally about you know, are you are you pushing weight? Because that's what's required for your position? Or are you doing it now because it's not just a product, you're you're, you know, you're promoting your image, your likeness, now you're promoting how you look. And obviously, people want to have good looking spokespeople for their for their products. So is do you do you foresee sort of an issue with that, which is you're doing the vanity weights in order to make sure that your that your social feed looks good? And you look good in a bathing suit? Or do you do it because that, like you said, body types are different? Do you do you anticipate some of those people may be making choices that could be detrimental to their performance? Because they have to look good?

Jaden Hamil: 56:41

Unfortunately, I do think it will be an issue on just my personal standpoint, I do think we will see more issues arise like that. But just hopefully those conversations and those trust with the athletes can kind of bring them back to Okay, why are we here? What are our core values? But like Courtney said, if, you know, if someone that looks good is making millions of dollars on Instagram, it's really hard to have those conversations like Oh, wait, but if I look that way, well, I make that much money. So it's just, I think it's definitely gonna be a struggle in the future. But it's just making sure that we stick to our core values and helping the athletes realize, okay, why are we here? What are we doing? We're here to be a good athlete, we're here to get excel to the next level, we're here to get a college education. And just making sure that we're here for the right reason, not necessarily the social media standpoint, but it's I think it's gonna be a very tough battle for everyone.

Tom Regal: 57:39

So So here's a question on on, I'll refer to it as old school coaching. Have you either have you had any professional or personal experience where you've had old school coaches that said, you need to lose weight, right, you're too fat. And it had nothing to do with your performance. It's just that's what their idea of the perfect athlete in whatever sport needs to be a certain size. I know it happens in female sports quite a bit. At least it used to happen quite a bit. It sounds like both of you are in organizations that respect that the body is going to be what the body shape is, regardless, and the performance is all that matters. But how would What advice would you give to female athletes or male athletes out there that are in a slightly toxic environment where they're playing for sport, and have a coach that's kind of pushing them to lose weight. And it's affecting your performance, and then they're getting in trouble for not performing well, but they're going back to becomes this mental psychological beatdown that they're getting. I mean, how do they, how do they get out of that? How do they deal with that or respond to it?

Jaden Hamil: 58:53

That's why it does happen. In First off, the athlete comes first. So if it is a situation that's happening, always be with that athlete, okay? Hey, what's going on? Okay, coaches saying you lose weight, your mom is saying I need to lose weight or someone is someone in their support system is saying that they need to lose weight. Okay. All right. Do you feel like you need to lose weight? What is your best playing weight? How are you playing now? Because scale number does not matter. As with what you're doing on the field, the court, if you're swimming, whatever it is, as long as your performance is good, the scale weight doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Sometimes we have a lot of athletes, I get really caught up in body fat percentages. So especially when like the combine and all that fun stuff comes around. They're like, Oh, well, he said percent body fat, what am I so stuff like that. So a lot of times people get caught up in those numbers, but those numbers don't mean anything if you're not playing well. So our physical and mental ability are what we care about most better athletes. So but it still does happen. It happens all over the place. And so first off Like I said, being the athlete figuring out where they are, what weight they're playing best at, and how we can get to that weight or maintain that weight. If it becomes a consistent issue, that's usually when I speak to the person, so if it's like a coach on them or bomb on them, it's like, okay, like, I will be involved in the conversation. We also hear Florida State as well as when I was Alabama, we have sports psychologists that also help with that situation as well. But there are still coaches out there like that. Luckily, at Florida State, we haven't worried about that too much. But just working with that athlete figuring out what they need to be and then approaching that conversation. So those conversations are different based on if it's mom or uncle or sister, whoever it is versus coach. But it's finding out individualized ways to have those conversations and those hard conversations and making sure that athlete is okay, physically and mentally to have those.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 1:00:52

I like it. Guys, this has been a fun conversation. I've already got three other podcast ideas on what we need to be talking about. You know, we only touched on the mental aspect of sort of, you know, one of the things that we're trying to do on recovery is making sure you're not just physically recovering, but you're also mentally kind of detuning and how do you do that? And that again, probably a whole nother conversation. So Jaden, and Courtney, I really appreciate your time today. Jaden, what do you got going on? What's what do you have coming up?

Jaden Hamil: 1:01:24

Uh, well, fall is amongst us. And I can't believe it's already here. So right now, basketball students, some training offseason men's and women's. But fall camps are right around the corner. At here at Florida State, I worked with the soccer team. So they will start their preseason camp here soon. So that will be exciting. Exciting times. I don't know if y'all follow collegiate soccer, but the women's soccer team here is unreal. Amazing. So we'll be working with them. And also we'll get stuff started off and I'll I'll pass my torch over to Courtney. But Hyden Beach also has some stuff starting up here as well soon. So

Kenny Bailey<br>: 1:02:05

Courtney, what do you have going on?

Kortney Dalrymple: 1:02:07

Well, we're actually in the heart of our season. So nationals are going on right now basically the whole month of July. So plus, a lot of our players are traveling all over the country to play in different types of national tournaments for the high school level. And then a lot of our girls will be going off to college, I believe we have six of our Hyden Beach girls going off to college this year, cool. Even about six weeks or so I think even maybe a little bit less. So just preparing them and making sure they feel comfortable playing at the collegiate level. And then you know, during later August and September, we'll probably have a little bit of a dip down and then we'll pick back up once the indoor season is done for high school. So we're kind of in the heart of it right now. busy running around all over the country, making sure girls are prepped and ready to go.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 1:02:54

Cool.

Tom Regal: 1:02:55

Nice. Nice. Very cool. So thank you both for being on here. This has been fantastic conversations, Kenny said I think we'll have to revisit this and have some more, some breakout sessions. Some other future podcasts, I think would be fantastic. And I want to thank everybody for listening. Give your give your reviews, five stars would be fantastic. If not, please let us know why. We'd love to so the more reviews and the more comments that we get helps us and also helps the algorithm so that more people can find these podcasts. And we can keep doing this and we can get better. So once again, thank you guys very much. We appreciate both of you for being on here. Kenny. Always it's been good and we'll catch you next time.