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Welcome to the athletes in motion podcast from race to recovery with your hosts Tom regal and Kenny Bailey. You

Tom Regal: 0:30

Hey, Kenny, how are you?

Kenny Bailey<br>: 0:31

I'm doing fantastic. Tom, how are you?

Tom Regal: 0:33

I'm fantastic as well. We are coming back with Brandon Gibson to talk again like we're just finally catching up with you. It's been months Brandon, we had as part of our triathlete journey. We've been going through a crazy year. Everyone's been going through a crazy year. We're trying to catch up towards the end of the year here and wrap up a little bit so we we've we get Brandon. We're excited because we know Brandon always has some good stories, and I think we left Brandon last we did this 70.3 Yep, and chat, and they're good, yep, which was interesting. Yes,

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interesting.

Tom Regal: 1:16

That's right, what happened after that? You needed, you needed some surgeries after that, right? Yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 1:23

you know, with my, with my history of my medical stuff, I ended up having a hernia close to one of the surgery sites that was pretty bad. Had a surgery in June. It was a kind of a minor surgery, you know, only lasted about an hour. They went in and did some sewing of it up, and we were hoping, you know, praying, that it was going to work. And it lasted for about four and a half weeks. Wow. So I was playing that long, huh? Yeah. So I was planning on Louisville was out of the picture, because originally I was going to do Louisville and then North Carolina, yeah, and Lowell was already canceled, so I had a few sprints in between that surgery and North Carolina that I was going to do. That all went away. I mean, so I in early August, actually, about five days before River Bluff, I think River Bluff was August, like 11th. I think is somewhere around there. Yeah, it was actually August 11, because my surgery is August 12. Yeah, next day.

Tom Regal: 2:32

I think that's, that's where I saw you. I saw you at the race. Yeah, yep,

Brandon Gibson: 2:36

so and five days before that, I was in the hospital with a bowel obstruction from the hernia. It gotten even worse on the other side, and cause the bow obstruction, I was in the in the hospital from, I think it was like Wednesday to Saturday. River Bluff was Sunday. I didn't tell my doctors I was going to go to River Bluff. I did go. I did went. Did River Bluff, sprint with the hernia. Like, you know, I was just, which I don't recommend, but I anybody listening

Kenny Bailey<br>: 3:10

to this, this is like, not do this, yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 3:13

I, but I, I was, I didn't know what was going to come of the surgery. To be honest, I didn't know how bad it was going to be this was because he was like, we have to do it now. We have to do it Monday easily. And then he's, you're out for three months after that, so you're not doing anything for three months after that. And at least three months, is what he said. You know, it wasn't just three months, yeah. And so I did River Bluff, and didn't PR it or anything, but I, you know, I did good. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't do my worst, I didn't do my best. I

Kenny Bailey<br>: 3:48

didn't cross the line at this point is just, I mean, yep, congratulations, yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 3:52

and it was, and I got through it, and, you know, the next day I had my surgery, got it, kind of got an earful from the surgeon, because he's like, You did what? And then he anesthesiologist,

Tom Regal: 4:05

I'm sure he looked and went, hey, yeah, they and he's got worse overnight.

Brandon Gibson: 4:10

The anesthesiologist was the one worried about it the most because of my electrolytes and things, which was actually kind of crazy. And then she did so she had to take blood, and they took blood, and she comes back and goes, you might be the most hydrated and well person there is in the whole hospital. And I was like, well, probably because I drink a lot after, you know, high, rehydrate and stuff, so you kind of bulk yourself back up with stuff and and so I ended up having the surgery. It was surgery number 30. And I had a milestone on my surgery, so, and it was one of the worst ones. I was it was just for, for a hernia surgery. You know, it was a seven hour surgery, wow, yeah, very long. I mean, there's heart surnames are shorter than that. So it. A seven hour surgery, but they fixed it. I mean, they fixed it, right? I really shouldn't. It is a 99% success rate with the way they did this. They pretty much blanketed with a block of mesh. And there's really no way for the way they they have to sew it up and everything. There's really no way for anything to get around it. But with that came a lot of lot of pain afterwards and dealing with that. So I was in the hospital for 12 days old, epidural and all that for seven, and I've been resting. I rested up until, I guess it's two weeks ago. So, yeah, yeah. Seventh, I think, is when I saw the surgeon of this month, and I got cleared, and I went for a run that afternoon,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 5:56

which is better than me. I cramped up my calf like a mile and a half. This guy's got, you know, months of Coronavirus surgery, hernia surgery, and he's out running. Oh, my God, so

Brandon Gibson: 6:04

yeah, and I, I ran and talked to Sarah, and she already had me a plan that starting that Thursday, and I just went with it. And I've been pretty much going since, and I'm at that point where I'm tired, like my body's actually fatigued. Yeah,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 6:20

feels good, doesn't it? You know, like a different guy does tonight.

Brandon Gibson: 6:23

And I kept saying that while I was in the hospital, and everybody's like, you just need a hill. And I'm like, I just want to get back to being uncomfortable, like, not this pain, yeah, I went out a

Kenny Bailey<br>: 6:34

sharp, comfortable recovery, yeah, like, like, a sore muscle, like,

Brandon Gibson: 6:37

and for the three months I was like that. I told everybody, don't ask me to go run. Don't Ask Don't talk about running. Don't talk about cycling in front of me, you know, because it's gonna make me want to go do something, and I shouldn't. I need, I need to heal for the, you know, the three months. And I did. I didn't do anything, I I stuck to my guns, and I healed and good, and it turned out great. So, yeah, I, I've been sort of doing well since then.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 7:07

What limitations do, other than, you know, you just got, obviously lost form, like crazy. What? What do you have a limitation, as far as, like, Hey, don't over stretch on this. Don't push on that. So

Brandon Gibson: 7:17

what are your What are your guiding any he actually, he actually gave me no restrictions. Great. This healed. So they did. I i ended up right before I got cleared, about two weeks before I had COVID, and you are staff infection and and another infection of some sort, and I was in the hospital then just getting re tanked up because any kind of Gi thing and all that, you know, puts me way, way down. So at

Kenny Bailey<br>: 7:43

this point, you just have a plaque in your room. Is that what? Yes, pretty much flyer mileage.

Brandon Gibson: 7:49

I have, I have, my insurance is paid for a wing, Yeah, seriously, and they, they looked at a CT scan. It held perfect. Everything it looks looks really, really good. I have a few little pains here and there, like on certain spots, I went and saw a pain doctor that I had some, a few injections put in there, and that's just the sutures are so tight in there. The way they did this surgery, there's no room for it to flex. And those sutures pull, yeah, that you can just, kind of, you know, it kind of, it's, it's, it's uncomfortable feeling, yeah, but there's really no restrictions. Now, when I start to feel things stretch and pull, like I did today in the pool, I, you know, I have lifting on the schedule, but I'm not doing that yet. It's light lifting. It's, you know, not anything heavy or high, you know, big reps or anything like that. So I told her that I need to hold off, you know, until probably the New Year. I need, I think I need to, I need to keep stretching this a little more before I start really bearing down and working

Kenny Bailey<br>: 8:59

with that. Yeah, I'm assuming it's like a range of motion more than it is strength, right? It is, try to get, yeah, that range of motion, I

Brandon Gibson: 9:05

feel it more. So I felt it more on a trail run. I think the side to side, the core, there's a little more, you know, there's a little more torsion on your Yeah, and then the and then the swim, yeah, bike, I don't have the problem. Regular running on a road, no real problem, but twisting, you know, the your rotation in the pool, and you're stretching your your your, your stroke has pulled on it, and then, and then the trail run. But I've got some stuff coming up. So my plan, yeah, my plan going forward, is just, I really want to get better at the run. I think that's kind of a epiphany. I'm decent in the bike. I got a new bike. I can't I only rode on it once, and rode at River Bluff. And that's kind of why I did River Bluff, because I got that brand new bike. Well, yeah, well,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 9:54

that you didn't start with that Brandon. You got to lead with that. Well, I got a new bike. Oh, well, in that case, yeah, yeah. You have a broken tip and be on that bike. Yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 10:03

So I had to race it exactly, even though in t1 I couldn't find it because I was looking for my old bike. Where am I at 28 minute transition? Like, yeah, I would pass it like, three times. Like, has anybody seen what

Tom Regal: 10:18

I'm looking for? It's blue, so

Brandon Gibson: 10:21

it's Yeah, and I think, and that, you know that, yeah, I but I think I realized, and talking with my coach, I need to, I really need, I think running will help translate in to a better finish for me, because everything I've done has been, it's kind of fallen at the end of the bike into the run, right? You're strong on

Tom Regal: 10:46

the bike. Yes. Filter some good strength on the bike. So that's yeah, you just needed to carry over and get that run. Yeah. So going,

Brandon Gibson: 10:55

I'm planning on doing a lot, a lot of volume of running early in the season, a lot of trail running, yeah, and to me, trail running is one of the best runs you can do, because it forces you to be slow in that, like zone two area, you know, in that up those hills, I don't run up the hills. I try to power hike them, try to keep my heart rate down as much as possible. And I think it just kind of forces me to be more grounded when I'm running on the road. I'm just, yeah, you know.

Tom Regal: 11:24

So it also forces you to pick your feet up. I love trail running for that, because you talk to Road Runners on a regular basis and they can't pick their feet up, and they said, well, they always trip on the trail. I'm like, well, because you're just barely picking your foot off the ground, I'm like, you just the lug of your shoe is going to catch something and send you sprawling, so you have to pick your feet up. And he gets stronger, so now your your knees are kicking higher. You're actually better form. It's, it's and it's softer on your body. So easier.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 11:53

So Brandon, I'm sitting here like, you know, it's ridiculous what you're going through, right? And I think, you know, from a viewer perspective, how do you, how do you maintain that, just keep moving forward, kind of like, how do you don't just go, You know what? I'm going to be sedentary. I'm just going to be happy. You know, like you said, you're, you know, you're already geared up for what you is that what motivates you? Is that what keeps you moving forward? Or, if you have people that are, you know, going through a surgery, you're gone through 30 I mean, what do you what do you say to those people? Just, you know,

Brandon Gibson: 12:28

early on in my surgery journey, you know, there was a lot of doubt, like, I think we talked about that before on the podcast, there was a lot of doubt there. But since I've gotten into this, this the sport and these endurance sports, I I feel like I've overcome so much with the surgeries, right? This almost falls into line with overcoming things, yeah, like,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 12:59

I didn't go through all this to do nothing, right? It's like,

Brandon Gibson: 13:01

right, yeah, and I, and I feel like endurance sports is constantly a battle with yourself, right? It's a battle with your body, a battle with your mind, huge battle with your mind when you're in it and, and I think that's what motivates me, that I want to continue to I guess I've just been living with overcoming things, yeah, like, you know, and that's just now that I'm getting healthier, even though I just had a surgery and everything. But I am health. It's crazy to say I am healthier. The last three years I have been healthier, which it's hard, it's hard to explain, what I am and and I just want to continue that. I think that's what motivate I think that's what motivates me, that I just want to continue to show that I can do things to myself, not only to my, you know, my kids and everybody else that sees me, but it's, it's almost a motivating factor for me to try to motivate people to, you know, like, hey, if I can do this, anybody can do this.

Tom Regal: 14:06

Yeah, yes, exactly, certainly. And your kids, your kids, especially, I mean that you, you are, you know, a great role model for them to see what overcoming things are, because life isn't easy, right? So it's a lot harder for some people, but you're always going to have to overcome something. So, I mean, you're a great role model for that. That's, you very impressive.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 14:30

Yeah, I think there's a certain percent of the population that kind of, you know, has a surgery or fall back, right? I tore an ACL, and I guess that's the end of my, you know, that's the end of my, my triathlons. And it's like, no, it doesn't have to be. It may be different coming out the other side. May be a different version of you, but you can still do that. Yeah, you may not be crushing PRs, or you may not be that same version of you, but and you may have to train differently where before, you couldn't, you couldn't train, you could train anything you want. So I think, hopefully, the takeaway for these people. For people watching is like, or listening, hey, you know, it doesn't define who you are. That surgery. What it does is, it does another setback, just like you would if you had a nutrition problem or a calf problem. Yours just happens to be quite extraordinary, and kind of, it makes for a hell of a good story. But it's, you know, it's the idea of pushing forward.

Brandon Gibson: 15:21

It's another challenge. Yeah, it's another challenge that you just need to figure out. And no matter if you get hurt or anything, it just adds a degree of difficulty to it. Yeah? And it's, everybody has things, right? Yeah, you get into the sport, you're going to get injured. Yeah? I mean, at some point you're going to have something that hurts and that shouldn't be, you know, you know, it's just, it's, it just seems like, just overcome it. Yep, that's gorgeous.

Tom Regal: 15:52

You've and you've tested the mental side of it, side of overcoming that difficulty, right? So we're uncomfortable, yeah, you that's, I think that's the biggest challenge in endurance sports is like your mind sets you a trigger at a point where you go, I should stop and you you're the prime example of it. But your example of knowing that that threshold is set so low, yeah, it's and that there's so much further you can go, there's so much deeper you can go before it really is an issue, and most people don't even like once they tick that threshold, they just stop and like you. And then there's you who's taking it to another extreme. Because, look, you've been through pain, like, ridiculous pain, and then so endurance sports is almost easy at that point, just like, Well, hell, I've done this before. This is, no, this isn't that bad. I can do this. I can push through this. And it just helps you out on it. So

Brandon Gibson: 16:46

and I, and when I get into these things, and like, I've got some very long trail runs coming up, and I know that's going to be painful, you know, I eventually want to get into the 50 miler range, and then, plus, and do some the ultimate goal would be to do, like, placid and 26 sweet, with a lot of, you know, that's a lot of elevation up there it is. So that's kind of, I think we talked about that last time. You know, what makes you just go for it's like, go big and just figure it out, yeah, and and get through it. And that's just, I, I've just kind of been, that's my direction on all of all of these things, is just to try to keep pushing myself a little further and further, even though I probably, you know, I may not be right ready there. And that's another thing that I think people get scared. They get scared to attempt it. They see that number, and they're like, I can't do that. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. Anybody can do that. Just have to put the work into it. It's the the journey getting there. You know, there's a big journey to get there and and

Tom Regal: 18:00

have a while. So we're just gonna do it. What does that look like? What's the what's the training? What's the plan for next year, for 25 looking like that's gonna get you to placid in 26 so how are you building How is, how is Coach Sarah, building you up for the for the I handed her

Brandon Gibson: 18:17

a spreadsheet of all of these races. So I told her, I have this spreadsheet of these races. And she's like, Okay. And then I told her that my my plan, my thought behind this, was to do a lot of volume of running early in the in 25 doing black toe with a set of a certain amount of distance that I want to go. You know, I want to do a 50k there. Originally was going to do a 50k at Bell Ringer this December in Montgomery, Bell state park, but I'm only going to do the 25k and that's only in two weeks. I think

Kenny Bailey<br>: 18:58

even then, that one's a monster, by the way. So I did that one. Yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 19:01

it's non trivial. I did the 25k last year, and it was rough, so I actually think I'll do better this year. I think I think I know what I'm getting into. And I think that was one thing, you know, going into 25 and coming out of this surgery, that I realized that my heart rate, it bounced back like beautiful. Oh, my great pace. My pace, my heart rate is, at first it was very high, but then it's, now it's settled, like, it's settled back to the same pace that I can, I can hold the same pace that I was before the surgery. Okay, thing that's getting me is the muscle fatigue. Yeah, the muscles are just, like, they're that. My legs are just dead. They don't want to move. They don't want to, you know, and that's but, but going into 25 a lot, a lot of volume of running early. I'm going back to Chattanooga because I'm going to beat that place. My third attempt is that the

Kenny Bailey<br>: 19:54

one we got and yeah, everything

Tom Regal: 19:57

about I'm going to be so it. If you have an issue where it feels like something's dragging, yeah, fix it. And then you're gonna go, yes, yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 20:07

That is, that is exactly because I'll just hopefully at that point I've got a lot of volume in the run in the room, I can pace it back right so, and and then during the heat months is all sprints. I thought about the Louisville again, but it's just too I think it's too hot for me physically. I just, I don't know if I should do that, if I can't get my nutrition right when it's kind of cool, yeah, so I need to learn that nutrition when it's cool, and then work it into the into the heat, yeah,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:43

well, see, and that's smart. So you're not completely, you're not going into this thing, like, you know, torpedoes be damned, right? I mean, no, yeah. So that's, yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 20:50

I there is a, there is a theory behind all of this, like that. It might not be the right one, but

Kenny Bailey<br>: 20:55

sounds pretty solid.

Brandon Gibson: 20:57

I think, I think so. Sprints all through the summer and then too late, 70.3 is either Michigan and then North Carolina, or Augusta, North Carolina, or something like that. It's, I haven't figured out yet logistically what I'm going to do, and then that will set me up for a 70.3 in the spring and then Lake Placid in July, I think is what it is. So that's, that's, that's the long, long goal, nice. And, yeah, so

Tom Regal: 21:30

I think you're doing it right by ramping up for what is, you know, year and a half, almost two years out, yep, I think that's the right way to do it. It's a nice it's a nice build where you can build steady and not try to crank it out. Yeah,

Brandon Gibson: 21:45

and I don't plan on doing, I mean, I may do some short races, like in there, in between a 70.3 and but I it's just going to be short stuff. It's not going to be anything

Tom Regal: 21:56

that's going to really speed. You just work on some speed and transitions, you know, you just kind of get used to the race feel, yeah. So that's not overwhelming. When you get up to the big a race type of thing, and then the rest of your time will be putting in just hours, the hours, just putting in the miles, the miles, just putting the miles in. Man, that's,

Brandon Gibson: 22:14

that's the big thing, and just trying to figure out the time commitment and with the family and everything, because it is a time commitment. It's a time it's a it's a commitment for them too, my wife and and the kids. It's, it's, it's a lot, yeah, I mean, it's a lot for a 70.3 and it's just, it's even exponentially more. It's not just double it's exponentially more, right? It's not and

Tom Regal: 22:37

when you're doing your first Iron Man distance race, then that's the one that's like, you're so focused in on stuff, and that's the one, that's the one that I think is hardest for everybody, because there's so much unknown. I mean, at least you and your family know the training that goes into a 70.3 so they're a little bit familiar with that end of it. But the intensity that you'll you'll be feeling just naturally putting on yourself right for the first fall as that's where you that's where you need the find the stress relief, or find the ways to spend time with the family, that it's a little bit more mellow and you're not like it's not all or nothing, right? It's finding the right perspective for it to know that it's you don't have to be so driven and so siloed to do it, that you've got enough training, you've got enough experience that you'll do, you'll do fine,

Brandon Gibson: 23:29

yeah, I'll get through it. And it's, it's not Yeah, it's not about Yeah. That's the stress that I think you put on yourself, is like you put it on yourself. Am I gonna make it? Am I gonna make it? Well,

Tom Regal: 23:38

yeah, yeah. Every, every athlete that I talked to, myself included, they went through that very first Ironman distance race. It was all encompassing, like that was all you could think about. Like every bit waking moment was about the training, about everything leading up to race day. And it was, you know, ridiculously obnoxious to poor Wendy. She was putting up with this.

Brandon Gibson: 24:01

And I'm sure that afterwards, I mean, I realized this with a 70.3 I'm sure afterwards, there's a massive crash from that too. Yeah,

Tom Regal: 24:08

there's a little bit like, especially because you're setting this thing up on a pedestal as this massive thing, it's almost like you need to put something on the back end, right? What are you going to do afterwards? What's the next race after that? Don't end your planning there. You need to fill it and know that, okay, I got a little relaxing, and then I've got a 70.3 that I'm going to knock out in two or three months. So you've got something else, because the letdown is huge, yeah, and

Kenny Bailey<br>: 24:33

it's not just the it's the fact that your life has been structured six days a week, you know, for balance, right? So you spend 910, months training, six days a week, and then all of a sudden, you're done, and you're like, dope. What do I do? Do I run today? That's I mean, I can say no,

Brandon Gibson: 24:50

I've realized, I've realized that I have to have something else afterwards. If I don't have things lined up afterwards, it's why I get that. What am I doing this for? Yeah, and, you know, and, and I, and I know people love to talk about that journey, but I love to race. I mean, I grew up racing. Racing is like, That is my feeling. It's all about the race day. It's not so much about the training for me as it is, yeah, but the actual race day, I think you'll

Kenny Bailey<br>: 25:19

find with, like, the 50s, like, what you're doing with any anything like long like that, right? A 50k a 50 miler, an Iron Man. It's one thing to do a half where you feel like you can push it right? It's like, okay, it's sub two hour marathon. Let's try to figure out how to get that, you know, I can do that. What's interesting, at least from a mindset perspective on Iron Man and 50 milers, is you're there for the day, like, you know you're not, yeah, you're trying to be efficient about what you're doing and trying to be careful about what you're doing. But hey, man, you're gonna see the sunset, you know? So in some respects, it's a little bit less pressure, because you just know you're there for the day. You're not trying to rush it and not gonna do this in five and a half hours. You're like, I just run through my progression. It's, I'm, you know, I'm here for the hall, right? So settle in and get comfy. It's going to be uncomfortable for, you know, easily north of 10 hours, 11 hours. So same thing on 50 milers, right? You're not going to run really fast on a 50 miler. You're just going to settle into a nice pace and you run your progression. So in some respects, it's almost a little less stressful than a half because of this expectation. On a half to try to, you know, I got to beat my time. We're on the

Brandon Gibson: 26:21

full I'm trying to, I'm trying to do a sub exactly where some Yeah, and you, you're

Kenny Bailey<br>: 26:25

close to doing it, because you can kind of get away with it a little bit. You're not getting away with it on a 50 miler or, I

Brandon Gibson: 26:31

think that's what it was going into the first 70.3 My goal was to finish right get that took the pressure off. I know I'm gonna I can walk the entire thing and finish it. I'll be okay. This one hurt a little more because I knew I wanted to push Yeah, you lean in. Probably do better. And then it didn't go out. Yeah, the way I wanted this the Chattanooga. So I need to realize that, you know, a race is a race. Anything can happen during the race. You just have to roll with the punches. Yeah, run through the progress. Don't let that, yeah, don't let that, you know, smack you down. Yeah, because there's always another race. There's

Tom Regal: 27:06

another race. It's just, it's just one blip. It doesn't define you. It's that. It's that long length of time of your life. And this is one little, tiny speck in it, right? So, to

Kenny Bailey<br>: 27:17

the Tom, we're just just mere sand specs in the way on the beach of in

Tom Regal: 27:23

the universe, I feel like

Kenny Bailey<br>: 27:27

it would need a light incense right now,

Brandon Gibson: 27:30

little piece of courts.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 27:33

I think Tom is going to come back with, like, an all, you know, kind of an all natural, like robe. And it's like, what are we here for? What is if

Tom Regal: 27:39

I could grow a beard, I would have a beard out here, but this is it, right? All I got the

Kenny Bailey<br>: 27:45

journey of time begins with the first step. Dang Tom, it's

Tom Regal: 27:49

all we're excited for you. Brandon, I

Kenny Bailey<br>: 27:51

think, I think he got a nice no one ever said I ran too much before they go into an Iron Man or a half Iron Man, like, Gee, I should have ran less. Like, I don't. I don't think I've heard, yeah, no one's no, you know, it's

Tom Regal: 28:01

all about the run, yeah.

Brandon Gibson: 28:02

I mean, that's what, that's what I've noticed. And I feel like it's all about the run, every race and every race and, and I just need more of it. I need, I need to learn how to actually do it, keep a pace and hold it, and even after I'm already tired, you know? And, yeah, and that's I just, I need it, and that's

Tom Regal: 28:23

the strength training part of it will help you stave off the fatigue and be centered when you're running. So that will help tremendously. So doing some, you know, squats and deadlifts, and a lot of squats and lunges and that type of stuff really builds up that posterior chain and allows you to run solidly lift heavy shit. That's good to know.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 28:48

So what it is that's, that's kind of my new shirts.

Brandon Gibson: 28:53

Shirt. I kind of like that shirt too.

Kenny Bailey<br>: 28:59

What are you doing, lifted. That's Brandon. What are you doing? Lifted, lifted,

Tom Regal: 29:06

lift heavy things and put them back down again. So, yeah, so that's, it's crazy, crazy stuff, Brandon, but always impressed. Love talking to you, love getting the stories and following along, because you do such good, just good mental game getting through this crap. So it's fun to really appreciate you sharing it,

Kenny Bailey<br>: 29:30

yeah, and every time we talked like, you know, I've got issues I'm going with, and it just, you know, it puts it in perspective. Like, hey, that's interesting, you know. Oh, your calf is sore, man. You know, you're dealing with, you know, trying to figure out how to three months of rehab to so you can just go run. I mean, that's fantastic. So in the scheme of things, you know, keep going, man, keep inspiring people like us so

Brandon Gibson: 29:51

well. Thank you guys for letting me do this journey with you guys, and explain it to you and explain it to your audience, because it's, you know, it's not a norm, yeah, by any means. And but it's something that it may have been to anybody, right? Yeah, and you don't know where to go, but have faith and just keep pushing you can't you? Anybody can do it even after massive issues, yeah. So exactly what's your excuse? Yes, right,

Tom Regal: 30:19

setbacks and everything. Yeah, so it's all good. So thanks everyone for you know, listening in questions comments. Send those in if you've got questions for Brandon, let us know. Tag us. We're on Instagram and Facebook, and hopefully you're watching on YouTube or listening on any of the podcasts. Subscribe. We've got more of this coming. We've been a little slip shot here in the last couple months, just because we've been busy and crazy as everybody else is, I'm sure, as well. So next year, we've got some great stuff coming up, and we've got some more this year as well. So hit the subscribe button. It'll be floating around here someplace. And yeah, keep following along. We appreciate everybody's listening and downloads and all that great stuff. So we appreciate you all. Kenny Brandon, always fantastic. Great talk with you guys. Thank you. And for everyone we'll we'll catch you on the next one.

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