Coach Tom (00:01.699)
Hey Kenny, how are you?

Kenny Bailey (00:03.286)
I am Fantastic Tom, how are you?

Coach Tom (00:05.349)
I'm fantastic as well. I just want to point out that I blink that time when I said fantastic, which was pointed out to me that I blink a lot when I say I'm fantastic, not blinking this time. Really focused on that, doing even more fantastic. It doesn't. Seriously, I know, right? Totally. But we're doing good. Really fantastic. We had a little bit of a lull where we were both so busy trying to get some content out here for everybody bouncing all over the place.

Kenny Bailey (00:11.714)
Hahaha!

Kenny Bailey (00:16.046)
Well that makes you extra fantastic. There you go. I mean, if you're not blinking, are you really fantastic? Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (00:29.526)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Coach Tom (00:34.693)
It's just you and I, we're gonna catch up on a few things today. First, a little bit of business. Make sure you go on and review, give us five stars, thumbs up, do all that fun stuff and make sure to subscribe. Whether you're on a YouTube channel or you're listening on Apple or Spotify or any of those places that you get in your audio version of this, if you're staring at our wonderful, handsome faces.

on our YouTube channel to make sure you subscribe to that. We've got some good stuff coming up. So all good on that, right? So let's jump in. We've got a few things we wanted to cover today. We're in the middle of summer. It's August, although here in middle Tennessee, we had a very nice false fall, which is gonna go away and we're gonna be back to normal summer heat and humidity. But we're gonna talk a little bit about heat training, preparing for our fall races.

Kenny Bailey (01:07.64)
Yeah, we do. Yep.

Kenny Bailey (01:21.282)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (01:31.526)
We're gonna cover a little on that. I'm gonna talk a little bit about Louisville, which I actually didn't race, even though I was going to. I think we talked about that before. So a little bit of some hereditary medical things that are happening. I'm gonna touch a little bit on that. But what we learned from the heat and the race and Louisville, and then we're gonna talk a little bit about high rocks, because Kenny's gonna do high rocks. So in fact, let's kick off with that, right? Let's talk about

Kenny Bailey (01:44.055)
If

Kenny Bailey (01:52.995)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (01:56.374)
You're here to hear first, folks.

Okay.

Coach Tom (02:00.325)
What the hell is it? I mean, it's been all over the pages of all the social media stuff and it seems to be the latest awesome craze of taking CrossFit to another level. Is it? What is it? Explain this thing.

Kenny Bailey (02:02.765)
Hahaha.

Kenny Bailey (02:10.295)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (02:14.784)
Yeah, I think the joke is, yeah, it's sort of, they say for people that burned out on CrossFit and burned out on triathlon, it's sort of a hybrid of both. what makes high rocks a little bit different than like, for example, a CrossFit. A CrossFit is functional movement, a lot of limbic movements, and you don't know what the workout's going to be when you get there. It could be anything from you're gonna go swim outside.

Coach Tom (02:25.349)
Nice.

Kenny Bailey (02:42.478)
to you're gonna lift a lot of heavy Olympic weights or you're gonna have to do a rope climb and then do burpees until you die or pull-ups, know muscle-ups the whole nine yards, but you just don't know. What Hirox decided to do was make it a little less Olympic movement a little bit more row machine kind of farmers walk something that everybody can do and then what makes it unique is it's indoors and

It is a combination of you run eight kilometers total. So the first thing you do is you do a one kilometer run and then you do your first exercise. And that's like, I believe it's a cable row. So you do a thousand kilometers on a cable row. You get up, go to, you run and then you sit on a ski erg and then you go run a kilometer and then you do a farmer's walk and then you run a kilometer.

And then the last thing you do is a hundred wall balls and then you go run a kilometer and you're done So the idea is it's it's a lot of running involved So a lot of burned out triathletes that you know started lifting heavy weights like me It's great because you need that endurance anybody that does a hyrox event and I haven't done one yet But I've talked to a lot of people that have it's the first thing out of their mouth is you go run like worry less about can I do You know walking lunges with a 40 pound bag

The other thing that makes it kind of interesting is the fact that rumor has it you don't really need to go do a workout. There's no time limit on it. If it takes you four hours to do it, it takes you four hours to do it. That 95 % of the people that started end up finishing it. And yes, you want to train for it. You have people that are eight time CrossFit champion Tia Claire Toomey that is crushing it in under an hour. mean, world record, she's an animal. Those people go off and do their thing.

Coach Tom (04:18.319)
Okay.

Coach Tom (04:34.989)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (04:38.33)
Or you have the human beings that do it between an hour and 30 and two hours if you're in good shape and then those that are just, it's just like any other thing. It's like a marathon. You're gonna have people walking, yes. So you get that kind of endurance, adrenaline rush to it, but you get to stop and lift heavy stuff and pull it, sled pull, sled push. The other thing that's kind of neat is you can do it as a team or you can do it as an individual or you can do it as a mix pairs or pairs.

Coach Tom (04:46.019)
Yeah, just like any endurance sport, right? Yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (04:57.38)
Okay.

Coach Tom (05:04.741)
Huh, or Paris, okay.

Kenny Bailey (05:05.358)
So two guys can sign up for the two men's event. You can do it as an individual. Most people do it as a team, as a group of two. And so also hot off the presses is my wife, Lori and I are actually signed up for a mixed team, mixed couple event. So we're gonna do it together. And so for example, I could do 500 meters on the row and then get off and let her do the other 500. And then we, no matter who does what, we all have to run and you just follow each other.

Coach Tom (05:13.615)
Okay.

Coach Tom (05:18.949)
Ooh, outstanding. Nice.

Coach Tom (05:30.923)
okay.

Kenny Bailey (05:35.119)
If I do the farmer's carry, which I'm going to be better at than she is, I can do the whole farmer's carry. She walks behind me. But when we get to wall balls, she can do 40 wall balls while I recover and then I'll do 40 and then she does 20 and I do 20. So you totally tag team everything. Correct. So what makes it fun is that now we can train together because we haven't trained together since our California international marathon. So we used to do marathons together until I got injured. Big shock there.

Coach Tom (05:35.149)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (05:46.917)
So you totally tag team up on it. You're not both doing nice. that's cool

Coach Tom (05:57.722)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (06:02.252)
So for us, it gives us opportunity as a couple to do something really kind of cool. There's no pressure again. There's age groups just like it is. It's funny because you sign up, you go age group and age group winners and you get a cool patch and you get to go show up to Worlds if you make your age group podium, that kind of thing. So it's very reminiscent of Ironman. So we're excited to do something. What's nice is again, it's like a marathon. There's no pressure to finish it under a certain amount of time. You finish it when you finish it.

Coach Tom (06:10.948)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (06:17.199)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (06:21.081)
Yeah, that's it.

Coach Tom (06:28.131)
and just pace yourselves.

Kenny Bailey (06:29.998)
You just pace yourself and go have fun. are 14 year old kids that do it, there's 80 year old people that do it. But what you see online is generally like you would on any sort of Ironman. If you watch an Ironman video, it's always shirtless people that are really ripped, are running like crazy. it's like, that's not human, right? Let those guys go, let them do what they need to do. The rest of the world, if you look at it, you do two laps or three laps depending on how big the facility is to get your kilometer in.

Coach Tom (06:35.663)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (06:46.821)
The pros. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (06:57.891)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (06:59.758)
half the people are walking and there's aid stations that you can stop and take over. So it's just a really kind of a neat idea. I've done CrossFit before, but those Olympic movements scare me. Like clean and jerk and snatch and those things. The fastest way, muscle ups, those things are I think beyond what most normal humans can do. So I think this is a way to back it off, still be hyper competitive. CrossFitters love it. If you're a competitive CrossFitter, it still gives you that juice. you're not.

Coach Tom (07:05.719)
That's interesting.

Coach Tom (07:11.215)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (07:24.442)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (07:27.246)
Everyone is exactly the same. They start with the same movement at every single event. They don't change it. Nobody's surprised. So you basically train, you run like crazy and you train for the specific movements and go have fun like anything else. So I think it's provided me a little bit different sort of, you know, a little something in the off season. been, I think I've been losing my mojo on a few things on, you know, in my...

Coach Tom (07:31.461)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (07:40.206)
that's kind of neat. Yeah.

Coach Tom (07:47.119)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (07:51.119)
Is my why really there for a half Ironman or am I doing it because I should? Am I doing it because I think I just needed some off season? And with my schedule and everything else, it's just trying to fit in that kind of endurance that a half or above deserves for you to do. I couldn't put in the time that I needed to or wanted to.

Coach Tom (08:06.681)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (08:12.739)
Yeah, and you're getting enjoyment out of the heavy weights. So lifting, lifting the weights and doing that part of it is, is great. Well, that's what we need to do. At our age, we need to be building muscle. We, we, lose too much muscle mass as we, as we age. We're in our fifties, some of us late fifties. He, and so we need to, we need to pick heavy things up and put them back down again. And, and you know, that that's

Kenny Bailey (08:16.312)
Yeah, I'm starting to lift it. I lift heavy stuff and then I put it down. So it's fun and it'll actually force me, believe it or not, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Coach Tom (08:41.721)
that's fitting right in with that and the fact that you can do that as a family is even better.

Kenny Bailey (08:45.742)
Well, what the irony, the irony of this whole thing is it's forcing me to go run more. So it's easy to go lift heavy things and put them down. Yeah, come back out and actually run. Like, oh crap, because I see these buffed out dudes. Yeah, so I go and I see these guys that just like, you they got the high rock shoes on and these guys are all, you know, I see them at the gym and I'm like, hey, you know, any advice? I'm thinking, yeah, you gotta make sure you do row and make sure you got, you know, functional movement. And they're like, run, just run.

Coach Tom (08:51.077)
That's forcing you to come back out and do the yeah Yeah, which is what CrossFitters hate

Coach Tom (09:11.823)
Run. Just run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (09:14.124)
If you do nothing else, go run because it's gonna kill you. If you don't have endurance, it doesn't matter. And so for me, that's kinda I think my kickstart to go, I think I gotta go run now. And I do like running, it's a swim part I hate. So it gives me the ability to get back and start doing more endurance level activities where it's easy to go for me, because I work at a gym, I can just, you know, it's easy to do 45 minutes and go lift heavy things and go away versus.

Coach Tom (09:18.733)
It doesn't matter. Yeah.

Yeah. Nice.

Yeah.

Coach Tom (09:35.749)
You're right there.

Kenny Bailey (09:40.737)
you know, because it's inside, can do a quick shower, I see what's going on and that kind of thing. So yeah, it's pretty exciting. I was on the fence if I was going to do it, you know, because we were in love with the idea a month and a half ago and then as sort of the sign up hasn't occurred, it hasn't occurred. So I got the ability, you know what I mean? So that excitement sort of waned. so, and then Lori, I was going to do it with my son and he wasn't able to do it. And Lori's, my wife built up enough confidence where she's like,

Coach Tom (09:44.047)
Yep, you're right there. that's pretty awesome. That's cool.

Coach Tom (09:55.878)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (10:08.258)
let's just do it together. And I'm like, yeah, it'll be a lot of fun. So she's lifting heavy stuff too.

Coach Tom (10:09.615)
Thanks.

I think I could convince my wife Wendy to do it as long as she just followed behind me the whole time. She would absolutely, like really? I don't actually have to do anything, just run a little bit with you? Like she could do that. Let's not tell her that part. She might go, yeah, let's do that. I'm like, I don't think I'm built for that just yet.

Kenny Bailey (10:22.138)
Exactly, just right in front of you. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I don't know, you know, I have no idea. I have no expectation. It's such a new thing. Like, I can't, I'm not gonna walk in and say, we're gonna do it in an hour and 20. Like, I haven't a clue. You know, it's like, I'm just gonna, yeah.

Coach Tom (10:31.769)
That's cool.

Coach Tom (10:37.093)
You go have fun with it. I mean, this is something that you can get you can do together It changes things up. It uses some of your endurance. It builds all of this This is where we get creative and we're not just triathletes I always say we're endurance athletes, right because we should be able to do any of that stuff We should be able to do runs cycling Lifting all of that stuff should should come to us. It's a little bit more natural for us. It's healthier

Kenny Bailey (10:42.776)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yep.

Kenny Bailey (10:58.658)
Yeah, and so it's in Chicago and in November, I should be able to, so I have more than enough time to get my butt in, you I can run, I mean, it's run eight kilometers. Okay, I can do that, but you know, like lifting a bunch of stuff in between is the endurance part. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (11:01.891)
Chicago mid November. Okay, so you got a couple months.

Coach Tom (11:08.355)
Yeah, yeah. With a yeah, but not all at once like you run it run 1k and then do something and run 1k and do something. So it's like it's pacing yourself. It's pacing yourself on the on the lifting side of it as well. So

Kenny Bailey (11:23.126)
Yeah, and so I think for myself, it's, know, I told myself in September, just go run. Don't worry about like, you know, hill repeats or, you know, just get out and start running and get that muscle memory back and be able to do it, get consistency. Then October, we'll start worrying about, okay, start doing hill repeats, start running for power, that kind of thing, and then be able to go in. And the other thing I just gotta remind myself, because I always do and I'm hyper competitive, is whatever the, whatever.

Coach Tom (11:36.815)
Yep. Yep.

Coach Tom (11:44.645)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (11:51.791)
the speed I'm going is probably not fast enough. Whatever that number is, N plus one every single time. Whatever it is. If I'm doing a 930 pace, I should be doing a nine. If I'm doing a nine pace, it should be a 30. If I'm doing 11, then why am I even doing it? So just get rid of that whole part of my brain and make that go away. So that's probably my biggest setback is I always have this expectation whatever the speed is, it's probably faster than what I'm doing right now, which is terrible. So yeah, excited. Yeah.

Coach Tom (11:54.534)
Yeah, it's unpleasant. Yeah, it's gotta be faster. Yeah.

Coach Tom (12:04.293)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (12:16.397)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that'll be fun. That sounds really cool. Yeah, we'll definitely definitely we want to add more things to to our palette as we're jumping around and you know, doing different sports and things. So that's cool. So and that kind of kind of leads us into like we've got a little bit of a break in the weather here. As I said, in Middle Tennessee, we've got false fall, I think we're on false fall number two.

Kenny Bailey (12:22.508)
So we'll do a follow up on this on a series and kind of see how things are going.

Kenny Bailey (12:34.008)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (12:39.49)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (12:43.493)
and then we'll be right back to, you know, hot and sticky, like, like usual, we're used to this, but, we talk about, like, as you start to get into your, endurance training and running for that part of it, like, when you talk about the numbers wanting to be faster, I think that's one of the challenges I talked to a lot of it about athletes in the summertime, they're suffering with the runs. So every one of my athletes has been doing the run workouts through the summer have been just.

Kenny Bailey (12:43.522)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (13:05.015)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (13:12.741)
not happy, right? They just feel like everything's off. They're just not doing it. They're getting the work done. They're hitting numbers close to what we need to be. But ultimately we need to understand that we're not going to be as fast as we really are at a reasonable temperature. For marathoners, a reasonable temperature is 40 degrees. For the rest of the world, it's 70. And when we're cooking along, when it's 90, 80, high 80s and 90s,

Kenny Bailey (13:25.644)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (13:34.114)
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (13:42.566)
We got to know that there's, you know, there's 10, 20 % slower at least. And then we should probably back off a little bit more there. Our heart rate is going to be more elevated by at least 10 beats. So know that you have to pace yourself into that. So we're still training in zones. We're still trying to be in that right spot, which just means our speed's a little slower. We don't care about that, right? We're still trying to hit certain zones, whether we're tempo or threshold or zone two, all of that's still really important we need to do. So we had Louisville.

Kenny Bailey (13:54.125)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (14:02.306)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (14:12.613)
two weeks ago, two weeks ago now of this recording. We had two weeks ago or a week ago, week and a half. don't know, something where just recently it's all one big day for me. It's been, yeah, seven days every single week for the last few weeks. So we get up to Louisville. We've got a good bunch of athletes that are racing, having a good time. Saturday before the race, it's 99 degrees. The water temperature was 86 degrees.

Kenny Bailey (14:19.566)
Every day's been a week, so I get it,

Kenny Bailey (14:41.006)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (14:42.735)
So was almost like to the point of like no swim because of overheating. And I think they were calling for Sunday to be race day to be 104 degrees. And on Saturday, there was really no shade. There was no cloud cover till late, late, late in the afternoon or the evening. It was just blazing hot.

So we were making all sorts of adjustments, just trying to make sure everyone got hydrated, stay hydrated all the way through. Race day was much cooler. So it ended up being about 94 degrees, which is still really freaking hot, right? But when you felt it compared to the day before, you were like, we had cloud cover in the morning, right up until, right up until.

Kenny Bailey (15:20.247)
wow. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (15:28.37)
good.

Coach Tom (15:31.61)
I don't know, 11 a.m. or so, like mid to the end of the run was where the sun started to really, really come out pretty clear. So anyone who was struggling towards the end of the run was struggling a little bit more. Louisville did a really neat thing. No, you still burn, and that's important. That's a really good point because you still, we're still burning right through it, but it's just a little, it takes a little bit of the edge off, maybe.

Kenny Bailey (15:44.856)
Yeah. It's not trivial on cloud cover though, which is I think people don't fully realize that. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (15:59.373)
Yeah, that's about it, right? It's nice, yeah, you're still, core temperatures, yeah, you're still cooking, yeah.

Coach Tom (16:01.347)
Yeah. You're still, yeah, you're still baking. So they did a really neat thing. They put buses on the run course, air conditioned buses at a couple of spots on and you've got an out and back. You've got a, like a lollipop for the bike and for the, and for the run. So on the bike, there was a, I think it was a school or fire station. I want to say it was like a school that basically you can ride into.

Kenny Bailey (16:14.071)
I love it.

Kenny Bailey (16:18.082)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (16:28.965)
and they had the gymnasium set up with the air conditioning blasting and seats. So if you were starting to feel cooked, you could go there and just take a longer break. They had ice, they had medical, they had all that other stuff. Then you'd go back out on the course and get going again. And then the run was the best one I thought, because they put in amongst all the aid stations were two buses. I think they had at least two buses out there where, yeah, you could stop and just hop in the bus and just cool off.

Kenny Bailey (16:35.938)
Yeah, that's fantastic.

Coach Tom (16:57.977)
and then get right back on the course and start going again. I mean, that's probably the, yeah, right? Easy to do, that way you're not worried about, the aid station, where am I putting it? Well, put it, and if the bus needs to move, it can move. You just put them where you want, you just park them right on the road. So I thought that was brilliant. I thought that was really good. I'd actually like to talk to people that used it.

Kenny Bailey (16:59.96)
That is brilliant, brilliant. It's a simple solution, like, you know, right, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (17:13.805)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (17:17.474)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (17:24.005)
None of my athletes ended up using the bus. At least they didn't tell me they stopped in the bus. Their tracker didn't stop. But I thought that was a really good way to help people deal with the heat when they were starting to feel it. yeah.

Kenny Bailey (17:38.479)
I think it's a brilliant idea. mean, it's such a simple solution. Like you said, you just like, well, I need AC. Okay, we'll park a bus and then, you know, it's diesel. It's gonna sit there and rattle for hours. Yeah. Yeah. Throw some water in front. You grab a thing of water. You just let your core temperature go down. You kind of cool off a little bit. You take 10 minutes if you have to and then you go finish. Because, you know, it's better to take five minutes in a cool bus than it is to drag and walk and you and you miss 40 minutes because you're...

Coach Tom (17:45.811)
That's there. You need chairs? You need that? Yeah.

Coach Tom (17:54.169)
yep

That was good.

Coach Tom (18:03.993)
Yeah, if you're just like, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (18:06.907)
too proud to say I need to take five. And that's a really tough thing when people are in race mode,

Coach Tom (18:10.425)
That's a hard decision. Yeah. Plus if you're the type of person that when you sit down, you don't want to get back up and go. That's a tough one. Right. That's I know, I know folks that don't like to do multi loop and like ultra races, because if it's, if they come back to the home base, they're done. They're just like, I have no reason to keep going. I'm right here. So I can understand where some people would feel like I'd sit down, I get nice and cool. And then I take a nap and races over.

Kenny Bailey (18:17.806)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (18:27.522)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (18:35.341)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (18:39.939)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (18:40.389)
So, but I think it was a great option for everybody. That was pretty cool. And everybody did pretty good. They had a low turnout, lower turnout than the year before. I think the heat kind of has something to do with that August in Louisville, but it's a really neat race course. It's a really neat race. I wish that I could have been out there racing it. So yeah, I discovered this back in June. I've been having leg issues for the last.

Kenny Bailey (18:45.31)
I think it's... Good!

Kenny Bailey (18:52.066)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (19:02.572)
Yeah, so what's going on with you?

Coach Tom (19:09.869)
I don't know a couple of years probably, achy legs, sore legs, heavy legs, a bunch of different things that I was not putting the pieces together on. And I was trying to figure out something was wrong, but I didn't know what it was. It wasn't stopping me from running. Obviously, I ran a couple of ultras and was actually having pretty decent. Yeah. Well, if you if you run 100 miles in a week, you know, as volume wise, your legs feel a little heavy.

Kenny Bailey (19:21.922)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (19:27.534)
I have achy legs but I popped out on a couple hundred mile runs, you know, like you do.

Everything hurts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (19:38.16)
that kind of sore and achy at times. I did the shakeout down, my shakeout for the bike and everything to try to get myself into a routine. we've, our whole year has been blown up anyway, but I still wanted to get out there and at least do something. We do waterfront. I finished the waterfront try, but my calf locked up on me coming off the bike, which was strange. Although I have calf and foot cramps. So these are other little things that are kind of pieces.

Yeah, it doesn't stop. Like my feet just are on fire for the next, couple of weeks, 24 seven muscle spasms, feet cramping, legs cramping, muscles firing, all sorts of just, just random shots, lower legs, both legs really bad. Start going to doctors and gone, like trying to figure out blood work and doing everything else. Figure out that it's, it's a vascular disease, that's hereditary. So,

Kenny Bailey (20:37.326)
Thanks, Mom.

Coach Tom (20:37.941)
It's essentially varicose veins. Your veins start breaking down and that blood's not pumping back up. So the blood is sitting in my legs and has been sitting in my legs for quite a while. Doctor was looking at me like, why'd you wait so long to come in? I'm like, I didn't know it was a thing. So interesting. I had no restrictions. have no restrictions whatsoever.

Kenny Bailey (20:41.133)
No kidding.

Kenny Bailey (20:50.094)
Ew.

Coach Tom (21:02.455)
He had to see me wearing the high compression socks now all the time. So my my fashion status has gone through the roof with shorts and high socks. And that's taking the edge off of it. So yeah, I'm there. Totally. I'm to get the white shorts with the I have bucket. I have my bucket hats. Yeah. I'm actually out there. Yeah, you can get them on the website. Have on the website. They're the best. So yeah, so that like so that

Kenny Bailey (21:06.499)
Sexy.

Kenny Bailey (21:13.71)
Put a nice little pair of slides on there, a white belt, you're set. Bucket hat, you got bucket hats, I wear your bucket hat. Yeah, try Tom R. by the way. Get yourself a bucket hat. It works great by the way.

It's my favorite.

Coach Tom (21:31.755)
When I was going through that, I just shut everything down and that was it for my season. So I'm not going to Louisville.

Kenny Bailey (21:34.53)
Yeah, that's too bad. I mean, it's good that you got diagnosed though. I nagging injury to your point. I think there's a cautionary tale there, right? Yeah.

Coach Tom (21:41.015)
And it's not even an injury. It's one of these things where it's it's a vascular disease. it's shutting, they're just not working. So we have to see, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (21:46.882)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (21:51.213)
Yeah, but I think it's a good cautionary tale that, you know, listen to your body, right? You thought, well, it's normal soreness. I feel that way because I've been doing this or I've been doing that. And at some point, your body's gonna say, yee! But you caught it. Exactly.

Coach Tom (22:05.817)
Yeah. It's sort of like when the shocks start to wear out in your car, you don't realize it. You're driving along the road saying everything's great. The people next to you, you're watching your car bounce up and down, bounce up and down. It was that, like I would have achy legs at certain points and then it would go away. Swimming in the pool was fine. That was fine. After long runs, then it would hurt. Cycling performance disappeared like two years ago. Just took a nosedive and then just hung. And I've been struggling with it ever since. So I was trying to figure out what was wrong.

Kenny Bailey (22:14.092)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (22:29.036)
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Coach Tom (22:35.429)
So it was interesting. Hopefully this is it. So we'll see from there, but yeah.

Kenny Bailey (22:40.994)
So do you just, is it compression socks for the rest of your life now or is there kind of a more...

Coach Tom (22:44.889)
That's one option. One option was just deal with it. Option number two is compression socks for the rest of my life all the time, which I still might have to do. The third option is we're going to go in and do an ablation on the veins and just basically blow them up and close them down and then force the blood into the good veins. Apparently I have other good veins, which my concern is when do they go, right? So that's where I probably end up.

Kenny Bailey (22:51.062)
Huh? Huh? Huh?

Kenny Bailey (23:01.226)
huh. Yeah.

Good veins here.

A few to spare apparently. Yeah, exactly.

Coach Tom (23:15.205)
having compression socks on for rest of my life at that point. So we'll see. I don't know. We've got that coming up in a couple weeks. So.

Kenny Bailey (23:21.964)
I think a sexy pair of Tritonmar compression sock line is in your future. Tartan, plaid, exactly. Go all the colors. You can either accept it or lean into it and make it your own. There you go.

Coach Tom (23:25.155)
I'm gonna start, obviously I'm gonna have to make branded ones at this point, so yeah. yeah. I gotta go with it, right? Plain white, gray, black is not gonna work for me, so I need to.

Coach Tom (23:42.917)
gonna have to, gonna have to. So yeah, and since I can't wear socks in the swim, I'm gonna have to have a calf sleeve or something on at some point and then try to get the socks on at transition. So we'll see, we'll see what that shakes out at. We'll do some updates on that.

Kenny Bailey (23:48.696)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I mean, you feeling, I mean, so far with the compression, has it gotten better, at least? Are you, felt a difference?

Coach Tom (24:02.213)
Yeah, it's gone from like an eight out of 10 down to a four, five on days that I'm on my feet all the time. So it's taking the edge off for sure. Like, and then and then the one thing as the doctor told me is just kind of like, he's like, you don't seem like the type to sit still. And I'm like, yeah, no. If you know me, I pace I pace as I think. And it turns out that I was pacing a lot more because pacing actually made it feel a little bit better.

Kenny Bailey (24:07.106)
Okay.

Kenny Bailey (24:17.634)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (24:30.134)
Hmm. There's irony. Yeah.

Coach Tom (24:30.989)
So I was getting 10,000 steps inside my house without even leaving because I was just pacing so much and it was just not realizing how painful it was. So I try to sit with my legs up as much as possible. I'm learning to work on my laptop, sitting with my legs elevated in it on my lap, which is something I've never done before. So not comfortable with that, but hey, it's the new reality.

Kenny Bailey (24:35.648)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (24:49.378)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (24:54.69)
Well, I mean, like you said, you got it diagnosed, you have a path to at least get it better. You may have a more extreme path, but like you said, if you go down there, there's no turning back, right? So is that, does that become worse as it goes along? But for now you're active, you're mobile, you're moving and I move forward, right? That's the best thing you can do.

Coach Tom (25:14.117)
still going through. I've gotten the leg cramps to abate quite a bit. So I get one run of three miles once a week. lots of walking, lots of walking and some cycling. So all of that's been good. throwing in a swim once a week. So back up to some decent training now. So I'm actually starting to feel healthier, feel better to get some consistent training in which is.

Kenny Bailey (25:21.954)
Good.

Kenny Bailey (25:28.044)
Yay! Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (25:37.474)
Good. Good.

Coach Tom (25:41.349)
kind of fun. So that takes the stress out. But we'll two weeks I think from how I go in and we'll do the first we're gonna do one vein at a time and there's five of them. So yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. Yay. Good times.

Kenny Bailey (25:49.615)
Yay. Well, I think it's important that you're getting back to, like you're getting to something, like a swim lets you settle your mind, right? You feel like you're getting some accomplishment, right? A run, no matter what it is, at least you're getting a run in, right? It sucks, but you're running, right? Versus, you know, so, and that just kind of helps with your psyche, right? Like you said, you're a person that needs to move, so being able to have that movement.

Coach Tom (26:06.201)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Totally, totally.

Kenny Bailey (26:17.71)
has got to be, know, the little that you have that compared to what you normally do, that's got to feel good.

Coach Tom (26:21.433)
Yep. And we talked about this with Sarah, Sarah Milan. And we actually addressed it in one of our other just recent podcasts about what do you do when like things change and you can't get to your goals. And, and, and that's that focus of, well, what can I control? In my mind was it was frustrating because it just hurt. So it was just trying to figure out what it was. And it's like, okay, what can I control? What can I can't?

Kenny Bailey (26:37.698)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (26:42.669)
Yep.

Coach Tom (26:51.427)
what I can't, right? And just, I don't worry about what I can't control. Like, here's the facts, here's the details. Okay, I can control this part of it. Let's take a hold of that and then just reset and just go, okay, fine, we're good. Yeah, just move on to the next thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (26:51.874)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (27:02.988)
Yep, and then how do we move forward, right? So you can't go back. It is what it is. So now we gotta figure out, okay, this is what we got. What do I move forward? What do I do? This is the hand I've got. So you go into the game with the team you have. So the team you have, you kind of figure out, okay, what can we do? So kind of readjust and yeah.

Coach Tom (27:16.451)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (27:21.657)
Yeah, good news is, like I said, no restrictions. I can actually push through anything. So I can keep doing crazy stuff. So cool. And that wasn't the cause of it. So I know that's been brought up a couple of times as like, well, maybe if you weren't running as much or weren't doing as much. Well, it turns out, no, there were three ways that this comes about. The first one is pregnancy, not happening. DVT, having blood clots, didn't happen. And the third is hereditary. And my dad had lots of issues.

Kenny Bailey (27:26.883)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (27:30.382)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Coach Tom (27:51.876)
with varicose veins and veins and like all his plumbing because he didn't take care of himself and because it was probably he were a Terry that was handed down from his father. So good times. The fun things you learn when you get old.

Kenny Bailey (27:54.85)
There you go.

Kenny Bailey (27:59.075)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (28:02.893)
Yeah.

But I mean, the thing is, the fact that you're in the shape that you're in also is a huge factor in how you can recover, right? You also have a horribly high pain threshold, which is probably going against you. It doesn't help, yeah. So that's not helping. But I think because, I think people need to realize it's...

Coach Tom (28:13.165)
yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (28:19.351)
It's not, I got that from my dad as well, by the way. Yeah. No.

Kenny Bailey (28:28.526)
The shape you're in now allows you to have options where if you were sedentary or you didn't do those things, your options would be limited or you just wouldn't know. I mean, as bad as Louisville was.

Coach Tom (28:37.103)
Yeah, totally.

Kenny Bailey (28:43.084)
The fact that push through, people are pushing through 94 degree weather, people are pushing through a tough circumstance. They understand that you have to adjust and make changes and man, that was tough. mean, those things build, they build that fortitude when you do have a medical condition that you have to face. It's those things that you're like, now my mindset's gonna be different than someone who just hasn't.

who avoids those things or doesn't want to go through uncomfortable things or try to figure out how to push through something and know that there's another side. I mean, just that alone separates you from kind of what I think what your father was, right? I don't think he was a huge endurance athlete, right? I'm guessing, right. So point being is, yeah, and because of that, you know, facing that would be either you avoid it or when you do it, you just, feel defeated and well, this is the lot in life and this is what I'm doing, where you just don't do that. You're like, I have this, now what do I do with it? And how do I?

Coach Tom (29:17.967)
Yeah. No, no, he was scared to do anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (29:32.56)
Yeah. Yep. That's how we grow. That's how we grow. Yeah. So good. Super proud of the team up in Louisville for pushing through. did pretty well. Got it done. Yeah, we had a good time up there too. Got to see a little bit of Louisville. Got to see a little bit of the city itself instead of being all focused on the race, but.

Kenny Bailey (29:34.978)
continue to move forward. that's a huge, that's a huge thing. Right. So, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (29:55.33)
Good.

Kenny Bailey (29:59.097)
Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good.

Coach Tom (30:01.253)
Ran around, a good time, drove home, felt good about it. yeah, so we're late season training and racing now is when everybody's feeling it. So athletes that are set up for Chattanooga that's coming up in about four weeks or so, and some of the other fall races we got North Carolina, Ironman 70.3. So yeah, a lot of those races in Arizona. Yeah. Starting to feel the fatigue of the, you know, kind of in the thick of it.

Kenny Bailey (30:14.435)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (30:23.616)
Arizona, November, yeah.

Coach Tom (30:31.437)
So, and trying to find that mental spots.

Kenny Bailey (30:32.034)
Yeah, so Tom, when you have somebody that's like, you know, I've done Ironman Arizona before and the hard thing for that is it's one of the last ones in the season. So when you have an athlete that's like, to your point, you you do the false fall, but then the real fall kicks in, daylight savings time kicks in, everyone's sort of starting to get slower and fatter. You're looking forward to Halloween and to, you know what I mean? You just kind of, everyone's got their race in the rear of you, but you still got one coming up. How do you...

Coach Tom (30:41.593)
That's a tough one.

Coach Tom (30:48.515)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (30:55.503)
Yeah, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (31:01.218)
How do you help those athletes to kind of keep that mentality of, because right now people that are four or five weeks still, they're still a few weeks away from taper, which means they're probably in volume right now. How do you, with the doldrums of summer, of people going back to school and yeah. Yeah. What do you say to them? Like how do you get them to continue to focus?

Coach Tom (31:16.559)
For the Chattanooga, the Chattanooga folks are full on fatigue. I'm with one of my athletes today where he was tired. It's interesting because everyone is a little different, right? So the part that I enjoy about coaching the most is that a coaching cue that I give to you won't work with somebody else because they're different personalities, different mindsets, different goals. There are some people that are similar, but.

Kenny Bailey (31:37.72)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Coach Tom (31:45.702)
It's finding those cues that work the best and I think that's what I enjoy a lot about the coaching is that I'm in there and like different mindsets of like well What works for this person and how does that go? But yeah, there's a lot of a lot of trying to Get them to think back take a step back a lot of is taking a step back and thinking about okay, where am I? What's the goal that I want to accomplish? And are those realistic goals?

Kenny Bailey (31:48.014)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Coach Tom (32:14.073)
we go through. So talking with one athlete last week, or the week before, not happy with the swim, just not feeling it, not happy about how they were swimming going through and it's like, well, what were you expecting? Like you went into this workout with what expectation and after we kind of talked through it was just kind of like, yeah, it's just mental fatigue. It's just like, I'm almost tired of training. And at that point,

Kenny Bailey (32:35.0)
Yeah. Yeah. And that's the tough part.

Coach Tom (32:39.341)
we put some easy stuff in. Like if we're getting into something where we're blowing up and we're getting to that point, if you can push through the first bit of the workout and everything gets better, great. If you can't push through that, then that's where we shut things down a little bit. We take an extra couple of days off. We throw in some extra rest in there. Even though if we're in a big build week, we're gonna try to keep building. But if we're not, if we're not getting there and the sleep's not there, we have to back it off. And that's where we have to, it's not full gas.

or break, right? Gas break, gas break. You need to be able to go like, let's just throttle this back just a little bit. How are we approaching this? How does that fit into our bigger plan? we've got a little issue here. Let's back off for a couple of days. Let's just take the intensity out of it. Maybe even shorten the volume up a little bit. So you get a little bit of stuff done, but then you're able to pick up the gas again and go. We talk about that sitting on the bus for five minutes, right?

Kenny Bailey (33:28.022)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Coach Tom (33:35.952)
This is the sitting on the bus for five minutes and cooling off and relaxing so that you get back out there and you're back up to pace again, instead of struggling along at a fraction of the pace that you're capable of. And still frustrated and mentally dragging down. So I always go back to a feeling of gratitude. And I try to share that with everyone is just like, we get to do this. Like, don't think about your workout of.

Kenny Bailey (33:37.622)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (33:46.05)
Yeah. And continue to be frustrated and, and, and, right? Yeah.

Coach Tom (34:02.455)
I have to go swim today or I have to go run today or I have to do this. No, you don't have to. That's the beauty of it. We are very, very privileged to be able to do that. And you choose to do that. You paid to go to this race. You're paying a coach. You're doing it. Yeah. Like we, get to do that. And those simple little mindset tweaks that you tell yourself, your self-talk, make a huge difference. And I mean, it, it sounds kind of funny and, and campy to go, like, you know,

Kenny Bailey (34:15.63)
Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (34:30.895)
whatever, we'll just switch a word. But it's true, it works that way. And if you find yourself telling yourself, no, I get to swim today. All of a sudden that now you're not saying, you're not ending on a down, you're ending on an up, like I get to swim today. It's an up, it's uplifting. And if you're telling yourself that, that will keep you going and kind of running along with it. So that helps tremendously, especially when we get in these deep, sections at this point.

Kenny Bailey (34:46.328)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (34:59.758)
Yeah, I think going back to that whole why thing, And reminding yourself what was the goal you started out with. it's really, I mean, for me, because I've done Arizona, tried it once, didn't do a very good job. Second time I was able to be successful, but it really was hard because people are going back to work. Kids are going back to school. You're getting ready for Halloween and you're like, it's Halloween and I've got to do 60 miles on a bike.

Coach Tom (35:07.588)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (35:20.666)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (35:29.39)
because I still got four weeks before this thing hits, right? Yeah, everybody's shutting down, right? Everything's getting, yeah, yeah, and they're kind of cool and they're worrying about kind of stuff and what are you doing? Well, I'm still out there and I still have to get up and it's crispy now, you know, and now I gotta start putting long gloves back on where I didn't have to put long gloves if I would've, and then I cuss myself for not doing an earlier Ironman, right? You know, I knew I should've done Louisville, you know, I should've done Jalurganau, you're doing this, this stupid, stupid, but yeah, right?

Coach Tom (35:29.561)
Yeah. Everyone shut things down. They finished their season. They're just like.

Coach Tom (35:40.697)
Yeah, I still have six or seven hours on the bike. Yeah.

Coach Tom (35:50.308)
Yeah, yeah. Should have done something in May. Get it over with.

Kenny Bailey (35:59.555)
But then you remind yourself your why and you remind yourself you've got to put the work in in order to get the output that you want. And sure enough when you get there, and what's fun about Arizona in November, it tends to be warm, tends to be, you get out there and you're amongst your peers at that point rather than just a solo ranger sitting in the middle of a winter in Tennessee or a fall in Tennessee. Now you're with your folks and they re-energize. You just got to remember you're going to get that energy when you get there, right? We've to go through that trough right now.

Coach Tom (36:20.066)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (36:27.087)
Yeah. Yep.

Kenny Bailey (36:29.154)
to your point, right? I get the opportunity to go swim. I get to keep my fitness up for longer. get to keep, you know, I get to keep where people are getting lazy. I get the opportunity to continue to get better. So it's a tough one. It's a really tough, yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (36:40.377)
Yeah. And it's, and the change of time and light during the day is, is tough. Cause now you're out running in the dark. If you're running in the evening or the morning, I love waking up with the light in the morning. So for me, the height of June is perfect. Cause like for here where we're at like 5am, it's starting to get, you know, this, the sun's starting to come up. Not anymore. Like we're already like further along. Now it's closer to six.

Kenny Bailey (36:54.083)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (36:57.72)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (37:09.261)
or after six at this point, I think.

Kenny Bailey (37:09.838)
Yeah, and I think, what's fun for me is like, it's funny, dusk running is okay. When I run at night for some reason, once the headlamp is the one, the only thing, the lighting, that to me is fun. I don't know why, because you can't really understand your speed as well, and you're running in the dark, and that seems to be the fun. So for me, it's sort of like, okay, well great, so now I don't have to deal with oppressive heat.

Coach Tom (37:21.005)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Coach Tom (37:33.62)
Yep. Oh, there you go.

Kenny Bailey (37:33.633)
And I get around with the light so I just don't get to see, I don't have to look all around on the massive, you look up and you're like, great, I still got a mile and a half down the road I can still see where all I'm seeing in front of me is I was just seeing where my lamp's at. And you start going inside yourself, right? You start thinking about your pace. You start thinking about the race. You start thinking about, know, and that becomes fun. So maybe the way to do it is you start looking at those different things you get to do. I don't get to go and swelter and hit, right? I get to put long sleeves on in the morning, right? You know, those kinds of things. I'd rather.

Coach Tom (37:41.477)
You can't see anything. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (37:59.888)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Kenny Bailey (38:03.758)
That shower's gonna feel good when you're cold and you come in versus the shower when you're hot and you don't care. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and you said there's sweat. Yeah, exactly. yeah, and then you try to go to work and all you're doing is like you have sweat stains and everything. was like, how's your morning? You're like, okay, don't, stinky kitty over there. yeah.

Coach Tom (38:06.437)
Yeah, yeah, Trying to cool down. Yeah. Where you get, where you've finished a hot run. You take a somewhat hot shower and you come out and you're still sweating. And you're just like, I'm not drying off. It's awful.

Yeah, hey, excuse me a second. I need to stand in front of the AC for a little bit and you know, I bring my core hamburger down, but yeah.

Kenny Bailey (38:30.734)
But to your point, find those things that give you joy. Not everything is going to be, you the one hand you're like crap I'm still training while everyone gets to have fun. you know what, get the, know, there's some little joys that I get. I take a hot shower when it's cold. get a, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (38:44.036)
Yeah. Of course, that's always easier if you're seeing some results, like your times, you're getting the work done. If you start to have some injuries or some little niggly things that pop up and you that that makes it a little tough too. But I mean, it's just sit back, sit down, think about it just be like, why am I doing this again? Okay. Cause we're always asking ourselves, why are we doing this middle of the race? It's like, what the hell was I thinking? Um, so yeah, the deeper, the deeper why certainly helps get through that as well.

Kenny Bailey (38:52.898)
There you go.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So for the folks out there, we've been there. We know this is the time where you find the small, fun stuff. Maybe, yes, I'm going to take a piece of candy when I get done, where before we wouldn't have candy because now it's Halloween, I can have a little piece of candy. So that kind of thing, right? Or I could have soup rather than eating exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (39:12.975)
So to your point, it's perfect.

yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (39:27.525)
He grabbed a fuel fueled by candy corn my six hour bike ride fueled by candy corn that almost makes me want to vomit just thinking about it. Yeah, whatever works. Some waxy sugary thing. Yeah, let's go.

Kenny Bailey (39:39.029)
Whatever gets you by, right? mean, whatever gets you to the finish line. And I was just talking, actually, I was talking to Suppenger, who was on our podcast a few months ago. He just finished a Leadville 100 run. And we both said the same thing at the same time, which is, you know the wheels are gonna fall off. It's just when the wheels are gonna fall off and how you're gonna recover.

Coach Tom (39:47.503)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's done.

yes, yeah. Yeah.

Coach Tom (39:59.898)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (40:01.858)
is what you're training for and sure enough, his wheels fell off but he was able to recover and go whatever. So you know you're gonna go to a dark spot. So same thing as training, you know this is gonna be the hard part for the training but that's okay because you're gonna come back and you're be ready to go for the race. And I think that's a great analogy of just, how far into the race before the wheels fall off and how deep are the wheels gonna fall off. If it's a slight dip and you're able to just get back and you get GI issues or cramping or whatever, you're able to get back like you did, right? You said you were...

Coach Tom (40:30.021)
Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Kenny Bailey (40:30.694)
Remember your hands were cramping up like crazy and then all of sudden you had potatoes for hands and you just go through that but you come out of it and you figure it out and you move forward. maybe that's, Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yep. Well, know, yeah. And hey, for the next three weeks I'm gonna have big, long, ugly stuff but that's fine because on the other end I get a taper week and I'm gonna be race ready and ready to go. So, you know, there you go.

Coach Tom (40:34.809)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Coach Tom (40:38.691)
You think about it. You think about, okay, what's going on? What is actually happening? How can I adjust for this and then make those decisions and go like, is it working? Yes, it's working. Thank God.

Coach Tom (40:54.725)
Yep. Yeah. Then you go have some fun. Do we do we paid for it? Do we paid for so nice. Cool. So hopefully that gets everybody all jazzed and juiced up and ready for the fall races. Let's do it. I'm excited. I want to race some more. So we'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get there. We're gonna start planning next year. We got to we got to think about that. We'll have an episode where we're sit down and throw some ideas out here. And we're willing to accept ideas from

Kenny Bailey (40:59.896)
So on that thought, that's right.

Kenny Bailey (41:08.814)
Go. Yeah. Yep. Good. I want to see you out there.

Kenny Bailey (41:20.642)
Yeah.

Coach Tom (41:24.065)
everybody. So if you have some great crazy, hairy, scary things for Kenny, especially, let's throw them up to us. And we'll take a look at them. We'll kind of run some stuff if it's a 200 mile race or 100 mile race or some, I want to throw some mountain biking in next year. And so we'll figure some stuff out. Kenny's going to grab, we got some gravel. We're gonna have a good episode coming up shortly, real soon.

Kenny Bailey (41:24.844)
Yeah.

Kenny Bailey (41:28.174)
Tom will be more than happy to do it. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait. So yeah, I've

I've done dumb stuff in the back, yeah.

Kenny Bailey (41:42.285)
rather.

Gravel, gravel, gravel, yeah. So I think I have an idea for next year.

Coach Tom (41:53.399)
it's gonna talk about gravel and gravel riding and racing and a lot of it. There's some cool stuff in Tennessee. So for those of you out of town, come visit. But yeah, so thanks everybody. Make sure thumbs up five stars reviews, all that good stuff. Send us notes, comments we I do occasionally get out and read them when I find them. I'm terrible on social media. I'm going to fire the social media manager we have, which is me. So we'll get better at that.

Kenny Bailey (41:55.011)
Yep.

Kenny Bailey (42:00.536)
Cool.

Coach Tom (42:23.363)
We keep trying and getting better. So we appreciate everybody sending your comments. And Kenny, as always, this is a blast. I enjoyed doing this. This is episode 86, I believe, which is kind of nuts. So thanks everybody for all of that. And we will catch you on the next one.

Kenny Bailey (42:31.704)
Yep, next time.

Crazy.